Are you truly missing the point? It is not difficult to understand what was meant.
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Atheism and Leperchauns-ism
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Nothing, as long as you don't expect others to make concessions to such a belief.
In that sense, as in many others, it is a good parallel to theism.
PureX
Veteran Member
The term "believe in" is vague and basically irrelevant. Theism is first a philosophical proposition, and second a philosophical position based on the acceptance of that proposition. Atheism is the rejection of that proposition, and thereby the antithetical position based on that rejection. Agnosticism is a tangential proposition that takes no position based on lack of knowledge. And belief is not the determining factor in any of this. Nor is it a necessary factor. We can accept the theist proposition without "believing in" the existence of any gods. We can also reject that proposition without believing that no gods exist. And we can hold either position without believing one or the other. Belief is not a requirement for asserting a philosophical proposition, nor for rejecting one.
I understand that in most cases people "believe in" whatever position they've chosen regarding the theist proposition. Which is why we commonly assume the debate is about belief. But it's not about belief. It's about logic, and reason, leading one to assert, accept, deny, or refrain from choosing a philosophical proposition.
Audie
Veteran Member
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
If he is remotely trying to be respectful he'll stop.
Augustus
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Highly dubious logic there regarding how people you don't know actually use words in conversations you are not part of using thought processes you are not party to yet assume must match your own, but seeing as it is irrelevant to my actual post in context not really much point in discussing further.
Yes... no doubt I'm surrounded by people who consider polytheists "atheists" but they only use the term this way behind my back.
He seems unable to grasp the concept, for some reason, brain lesion, perhaps. He also seems unable to grasp analogy.
Like the Icelandic Huldufolk, who live among rock piles?
Álfhóll in Kópavogur. Since the elves are believed to live here, the road narrows.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
I think the OP's confusion highlights one of the root problems with faith systems in general; they produce an apparent inability to understand something different from the subject worldview.
Non-belief is almost incomprehensible to someone who has been taught how to believe in something.
For reference, see the dozens of other threads on this same topic...
Non-belief is almost incomprehensible to someone who has been taught how to believe in something.
For reference, see the dozens of other threads on this same topic...
I don't think this is something specific to @paarsurrey .
Anedoctal evidence, but I have had personal witness on how difficult it is for a Muslim acquaintance of mine to even understand the idea of the Christian Trinity.
Not to agree or even to validate as internally consistent, mind you. To understand.
Anedoctal evidence, but I have had personal witness on how difficult it is for a Muslim acquaintance of mine to even understand the idea of the Christian Trinity.
Not to agree or even to validate as internally consistent, mind you. To understand.
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And another... .
Wow.. Just wow!!!
If you are really interested i (and i am sure several others) would willingly attempt* to teach you what atheism is and answer any questions you have, either openly on a thread or by private message.
* I *ed attempt because on several threads you have started on the subject many have attempted to correct your faulty assumptions to no avail
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Mox
Dr Green Fingers
I don't see any reason we should assign additional philosophical or other qualification to the term atheist.
Certainly one may add a term. Such as Broard Atheist or Strong Atheist or Narrow Atheist or an Indifferent Atheist to convey additional philsophical or other qualification beyond simple non belief in deity.
I do not particularly doubt it, to be frank. This is a weird subject matter.
Augustus
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Well the winter nights are pretty long in Canada after all
Still, would make very little difference though...
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
What is the purpose of making the same silly post nearly every single day? Especially since you hardly if ever bother to respond to the replies that you receive pointing out what a silly post it is.
Sir Doom
Cooler than most of you
Paarsurrey attempts to fit atheism into his own personal model of how thoughts fall together, then attempts to force this model on the atheists he encounters. "I believe in X, you believe in Y." I would assume this is to perpetuate the notion that both are equal in practice, and can therefore be argued on relative merit or results. I have to assume this, since he's not actually arguing.
Naturally, the atheist response overwhelmingly focuses on the usage of the phrase 'believe in' as if this can't be easily transferred into the phrase 'consider true', 'convinced of' or any other number of nuanced versions of the same. Its essentially the same attempt to force your personal model of thinking on the OP. "I don't 'believe in'. YOU 'believe in'! " For the record, Christians have been vomiting the same sort of nonsense for some time. "I don't 'believe in' Jesus because its the truth! You don't 'believe in' truth, it just is!" Its ridiculous semantics, and I'm pretty sure you all know that. Yet you engage in it anyway like its the greatest 'gotcha' ever.
Defiantly focusing on the wrong thing is useless. Keep it up though, folks! Why not? Its not like you actually care whether Paarsurrey ever comes around to understanding you, it seems to me that all you'd really like to accomplish is the accumulation of praise from your peers. Not to say he's any different. I assume he shows these threads to his fellow believers and they all pat him on the back for exposing heathens or whatever.
Here's to breaking the wheel.
Naturally, the atheist response overwhelmingly focuses on the usage of the phrase 'believe in' as if this can't be easily transferred into the phrase 'consider true', 'convinced of' or any other number of nuanced versions of the same. Its essentially the same attempt to force your personal model of thinking on the OP. "I don't 'believe in'. YOU 'believe in'! " For the record, Christians have been vomiting the same sort of nonsense for some time. "I don't 'believe in' Jesus because its the truth! You don't 'believe in' truth, it just is!" Its ridiculous semantics, and I'm pretty sure you all know that. Yet you engage in it anyway like its the greatest 'gotcha' ever.
Defiantly focusing on the wrong thing is useless. Keep it up though, folks! Why not? Its not like you actually care whether Paarsurrey ever comes around to understanding you, it seems to me that all you'd really like to accomplish is the accumulation of praise from your peers. Not to say he's any different. I assume he shows these threads to his fellow believers and they all pat him on the back for exposing heathens or whatever.
Here's to breaking the wheel.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
I believe atheism exists because I have spoken to people who are atheists and I am an atheist myself. However, I have never seen a leprechaun, nor good evidence that they exist.
You are actually trying to compare a response to a claim (atheism) to a claim (Leprechauns exist), which is meaningless. You are comparing lack of belief in a proposition to belief in a proposition.
Atheism isn't a set of beliefs or dogma you believe in. It is a lack of belief in something.
Are you deliberately ignorant after all this time, or are you actually mentally impaired in some way that does not allow you to understand the posts made to you?
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"I assume he shows these threads to his fellow believers and they all pat him on the back for exposing heathens or whatever."
I have not shown "these threads" to anyone, here one is wrong,please.
Regards
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Have you figured out yet that you are the one that believes in Leprechauns in the analogy?
Thermos aquaticus
Well-Known Member
Theism is a belief in deities, as described in every dictionary. A-theism literally means "without a belief in deities". That's it. Theism requires belief and it simply isn't a question that one asks.