Value is subjective truth is not. Ignoring of course solipsism and personal truths, which are different.
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Value is subjective truth is not. Ignoring of course solipsism and personal truths, which are different.
Desert Snake
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Nahh figurative truth is subjective as well. Especially for the book of Genesis, quite controversial actually.
What are some of the truth? special
creation original sin come from Genesis. These are not truths.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
It's a change from one view to another. I'd say that matters more than the label you assign to it.
depends on your definition of atheism.
No it just means you've changed your view on theism. Assuming you choose a religion that requires belief in god(s)
what atheistic path are you referring to? Because it sounds like a contradiction to try walking it while believing in G-d.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Figurative truth comes after value. Value in metaphor is what creates spiritual "truth".
Like I said, someone can find figurative truth in a list of ingredients, but to do so requires value. Otherwise it's just a list of ingredients.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Theres the communication breakdown right there. I wasn't just referring to spiritual truth or value, I was referring to any truth or value/ To the best of my knowledge there was no specification of that/
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Figurative truth is subjective to the observer.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Yeah, that's what I said earlier.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
But then you say that value is derived from truth, but in the case of figurative truth truth is derived from value.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Yes, figurative truth doesn't matter because it is subjective, but what you have stated is a literal truth: that truth creates value and not vice versa.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Right, and it's also subjective.
The Genesis Story is a perfect example.
Just read any Garden of Eden thread and see how subjective peoples truths are.
I think were getting lost in semantics here...
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
I think you are hiding from your statements, but that's the entire point in claiming there is subjective value in Genesis.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Hiding from what? I don't know what you think I've said...post an example if you want, but saying 'hiding from statements makes no sense.
Also insulting...
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Any truth, regardless of whether is is literal/objective or figurative/subjective, according to your own words, are only valuable because they are true. This isn't true all the time, and you were most certainly claiming it as a literal truth.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
This is convoluded. I don't even know what you're talking about anymore...
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Then let's ignore it. Obviously this will go nowhere.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
It's a semantic trip to nowhere, because we would be defining terms next.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
I am actually rather offended that people think semantics is a waste of time. If it weren't for semantic clarity discussion would devolve just as that one did. People can't simply assume that what they say is appropriate for their audience or that they are using a word correctly.
...semantic rant over. Continue your confusion.