Atheism does not mean someone is non-religious

[Echogem222]

I'm making this thread because I'm an atheist who believes in a non-secular religion called Flawlessism. The way this is done is that Flawlessism teaches that all of reality is everything we can comprehend even just a little, meaning that even infinity is within reality because we can understand it goes on forever. But the cause of reality is not within reality, therefore the cause of reality can't be defined as singular, plural, or even infinite in any way, preventing it from being labeled as God, Gods, etc. even if it were to interact with us in this world using an avatar of sorts or something like that, as that would just be part of something which is outside of our comprehension. And as for why it can't be logically argued that there exists anything greater than this "greater than reality" is because it is "greater than infinite" in every way, so for there to be something greater than it, and greater than what is greater than it, etc. would be a set of infinity, and even if you were to cut it off and do less than that, it would still be a set of numbers, which is something we can comprehend. This, however, does not imply that we can actually comprehend what is greater than reality, but we are instead understanding the limitations of our reality.

As for why I'm making this a poll, is because this is a debate thread, therefore if you object to my religion being Atheist, then explain why after voting so the people joining in know what's going on before debating (you can change your vote if you end up changing your mind later).

Edit: As for how all of reality came to be, before reality existed it was a non-cause, but once reality took enough form, it became a cause (only within reality though).

 

[Altfish]

I would argue that because you believe in Flawlessism that you are not an atheist.

 

[Echogem222]

I would argue that because you believe in Flawlessism that you are not an atheist.

Then you need to explain why, since atheism means not having the belief in God, Gods, etc.

 

[SalixIncendium]

While the majority of atheists identify as non-religious, I know at least three here besides you who are regular posters that identify with a religion.

 

[Nakosis]

I'm making this thread because I'm an atheist who believes in a non-secular religion called Flawlessism. The way this is done is that Flawlessism teaches that all of reality is everything we can comprehend even just a little, meaning that even infinity is within reality because we can understand it goes on forever. But the cause of reality is not within reality, therefore the cause of reality can't be defined as singular, plural, or even infinite in any way, preventing it from being labeled as God, Gods, etc. even if it were to interact with us in this world using an avatar of sorts or something like that, as that would just be part of something which is outside of our comprehension. And as for why it can't be logically argued that there exists anything greater than this "greater than reality" is because it is "greater than infinite" in every way, so for there to be something greater than it, and greater than what is greater than it, etc. would be a set of infinity, and even if you were to cut it off and do less than that, it would still be a set of numbers, which is something we can comprehend. This, however, does not imply that we can actually comprehend what is greater than reality, but we are instead understanding the limitations of our reality.

As for why I'm making this a poll, is because this is a debate thread, therefore if you object to my religion being Atheist, then explain why after voting so the people joining in know what's going on before debating (you can change your vote if you end up changing your mind later).

Edit: As for how all of reality came to be, before reality existed it was a non-cause, but once reality took enough form, it became a cause (only within reality though).

I voted no because there exists other atheist religions like Satanism.

However it being your defined religion, I'd think you'd get to decide whether it is atheistic or not.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

As for why I'm making this a poll, is because this is a debate thread, therefore if you object to my religion being Atheist, then explain why after voting so the people joining in know what's going on before debating (you can change your vote if you end up changing your mind later).

Your description is a bit hard for me to follow, but if you say that you don't consider anything you believe in to be gods, then I would agree that you're an atheist.

However, I'd probably disagree with you calling your belief system a religion. A religion is a community, so if "Flawlessism" is just you, then it wouldn't qualify.

 

[SalixIncendium]

A religion is a community...

No, it's not.

 

[Echogem222]

I voted no because there exists other atheist religions like Satanism.

However it being your defined religion, I'd think you'd get to decide whether it is atheistic or not.

Satanism is a Secular religion, mine is non-secular.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, it's not.

I disagree, but you do you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Satanism is a Secular religion, mine is non-secular.

What on Earth is a "secular religion"?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I'm making this thread because I'm an atheist who believes in a non-secular religion called Flawlessism.

Sorry.

But thanks for calling to mind a bit of prose ...

'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone.​

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'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'​

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'Oh!' said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.​

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'Ah, you should see 'em come round me of a Saturday night,' Humpty Dumpty went on, wagging his head gravely from side to side, 'for to get their wages, you know.'​

 

[SalixIncendium]

I disagree, but you do you.

I challenge you to find one dictionary definition of a religion that says religion is a community.

 

[Echogem222]

What on Earth is a "secular religion"?

A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities.

 

[Altfish]

Then you need to explain why, since atheism means not having the belief in God, Gods, etc.

I suppose it depends on your definition of religion. To be a religion, doesn't it need to be based on a belief in a higher power, god or controlling being.

 

[Altfish]

I thought 'se

A secular religion is a communal belief system that often rejects or neglects the metaphysical aspects of the supernatural, commonly associated with traditional religion, instead placing typical religious qualities in earthly, or material, entities.

I thought 'secular' referred to the separation of the state from religion.

 

[Kfox]

I'm making this thread because I'm an atheist who believes in a non-secular religion called Flawlessism. The way this is done is that Flawlessism teaches that all of reality is everything we can comprehend even just a little, meaning that even infinity is within reality because we can understand it goes on forever. But the cause of reality is not within reality, therefore the cause of reality can't be defined as singular, plural, or even infinite in any way, preventing it from being labeled as God, Gods, etc.

Why do you need to be a part of a religion in order to understand that?

 

[Echogem222]

Why do you need to be a part of a religion in order to understand that?

Flawlessism doesn't use that explanation as the whole belief, it's just the foundation so you understand where it's coming from (so understanding the context).

 

[osgart]

I am atheist and have my own belief system. In my religion I consider that there are ways of knowing the moral, and the spiritual through inner experience, outward expression, imagination, relationship and meditation. I do not find God to be a useful concept.

Being secular to me is about letting everyone have their own truth without infringing on facts, and without damaging/harming others, nor abusing civil liberty.

 

[Echogem222]

I suppose it depends on your definition of religion. To be a religion, doesn't it need to be based on a belief in a higher power, god or controlling being.

Did you not read my full explanation I gave of Flawlessism? Greater than reality is fully outside of our comprehension, you can't label it as God, Gods, higher power, etc. since it's not 1, 2, etc. in any way. But if it were to interact within reality, it could use an avatar (so sort of like a game avatar in a video game). This avatar could be called a higher power, but not fully, as it's source would be outside of reality, it would be like a puppet on strings, but the "puppet master" would be fully outside of your comprehension. In other words, you could not truly call it a higher power, because the whole of it can't be comprehended, and it can't really be called a whole, but greater than a whole.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm making this thread because I'm an atheist who believes in a non-secular religion called Flawlessism. The way this is done is that Flawlessism teaches that all of reality is everything we can comprehend even just a little, meaning that even infinity is within reality because we can understand it goes on forever. But the cause of reality is not within reality, therefore the cause of reality can't be defined as singular, plural, or even infinite in any way, preventing it from being labeled as God, Gods, etc. even if it were to interact with us in this world using an avatar of sorts or something like that, as that would just be part of something which is outside of our comprehension. And as for why it can't be logically argued that there exists anything greater than this "greater than reality" is because it is "greater than infinite" in every way, so for there to be something greater than it, and greater than what is greater than it, etc. would be a set of infinity, and even if you were to cut it off and do less than that, it would still be a set of numbers, which is something we can comprehend. This, however, does not imply that we can actually comprehend what is greater than reality, but we are instead understanding the limitations of our reality.

As for why I'm making this a poll, is because this is a debate thread, therefore if you object to my religion being Atheist, then explain why after voting so the people joining in know what's going on before debating (you can change your vote if you end up changing your mind later).

Edit: As for how all of reality came to be, before reality existed it was a non-cause, but once reality took enough form, it became a cause (only within reality though).

I find your "Flawlessism" incomprehensible, especially when you call it a "religion." The word religion itself has 2 possible origins: either religio coming from relegere, or from religare (there are proponents for each).

Religio means respect for sense of right, moral obligation, sanctity, what is sacred, reverence for the gods. If this is taken from relegere, which derives from re (meaning "again") + lego (meaning "read"), where lego is in the sense of "go over", "choose", or "consider carefully", while religare religare: re (meaning "again") + ligare ("bind" or "connect"), which was made prominent by St. Augustine following the interpretation given by Lactantius in Divinae institutiones, IV, 28.

Your "Flawlessism" doesn't seem to me to have any characteristics at all that would fit within either of those derivations. I mean, in what sense does it entail respect for sense of right, moral obligation, sanctity, sacred or reverence (for gods or anything else)? In what sense does it entail that you "carefully consider" what it actually means to you? In what sense do you bind yourself to it? What practices does it entail?

No, I'm afraid it reads, to me, as more something that you find personally amusing or interesting that you came up with yourself, but that you have no interest in whether anyone else finds it as amusing or interesting as you do. So again, in yet another sense, you lose the sense of "religion."

Your introduction of a "greater than infinity" doesn't really say much, and you might be careful how you try and understand what that can possibly mean, since infinity has different meanings in the philosophical and mathematical senses. It did Gregor Cantor little good, eventually driving him mad. And ancient Greeks used infinity to develop paradoxes like Achilles never being able to catch up the tortoise, if the tortoise was given a head start, or an arrow that could never reach its target.

In the mathematical sense, infinity is a mathematical construct that can be manipulated (you can add it to itself, multiply it by itself, raise it to the power of itself, and so forth), leading to the notion of many different sizes (cardinalities) of infinite sets -- even, in fact, an infinite number of such sets!

So, I for one would need a lot more from you about how you think of this as a religious matter at all.