Atheism doesn't exist?:)

[Heyo]

Gotta love the semantic games theists play about what atheists should call themselves instead of getting to the actual point and demonstrating their god actually exists or does anything.

Though I mostly agree, as an Agnostic I have to interject. First the believers should come to a consensus of what a god is before they go on to find one.

 

[ChristineM]

Catchy title. A-theism means something like No theism. And it's rare maybe almost impossible that somebody would not believe in God 100%. Not even a 0.01% that maybe God created this world.
And if he/she thinks that there is a very small percentage so, than it's not atheism; and still he/she will call himself an atheist.
BTW, a famous said or wrote something like that.

Until indoctrination atheism is the default state, no one or no thing is born with a belief in god, an infant does not have s concept of god so why is it rare?

In ancient greek
A = without
Theos = god
Atheism therefore = without god

And the definition
Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Link]

The word worship and God is just what we value or exalt or respect or love the greatest compared to other things. Atheists replace God as in the Creator with other things they value and love.

It's impossible there being an Atheist unless you believe there is no value to the universe or a person chooses not to value anything.

Exalted beings - the chosen ones - nothing should be loved and valued on par with them, God of course is the highest exalted being who exalted ones cannot compare to and hence are not gods, but if we don't exalt the chosen ones, we tend to idolize others and not even have a way to God and truth.

And so really Atheists are ACreator(s). They are without belief in a Creator to the universe.

However, they worship other things they hold dear depending on their characters and if they are good, they aren't selfish but value all humans equally as rational and reasoning is against selfishness which is irrational to believe you are to be valued more then others. However in that case, they are more worshiping humans as a race in general or if they love animals as much, then animals included.

God is the Greatest being that all life stems from him and doesn't add to the amount of life there is. Loving God and not loving his creation is oxymoron and deceptive, who knows God loves his neighbor as themselves.

 

[Link]

Until indoctrination atheism is the default state, no one or no thing is born with a belief in god, an infant does not have s concept of god so why is it rare?

In ancient greek
A = without
Theos = god
Atheism therefore = without god

And the definition
Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less.

This is not true studies show kids have belief in unseen, souls, assume design to the universe, and this is ironically used to dismiss God to say we believe due to evolutionary inclinations that can be found in children thinking still.

 

[McBell]

This is not true studies show kids have belief in unseen, souls, assume design to the universe, and this is ironically used to dismiss God to say we believe due to evolutionary inclinations that can be found in children thinking still.

Source?
And I specific mean the studies you refer to in your above quoted post.

 

[ChristineM]

This is not true studies show kids have belief in unseen, souls, assume design to the universe, and this is ironically used to dismiss God to say we believe due to evolutionary inclinations that can be found in children thinking still.

This idea comes from a 2012 book by Justin Barrat called "Born Believers" that various religions and religious authors have pounced on and lorded and still do despite being refuted 2 years later in an article
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Note "...children’s beliefs in the supernatural are the result of their education."
And
"Barrett’s Born Believers thesis is wrong — that children don’t possess an “innate bias” toward religious belief."

 

[epronovost]

The thing that I find, however, is that many atheists aren't truly atheist...they are just mad at Him.

I'm an atheist. I hang around atheist forums . I live surrounded by other atheists since my culture isn't "theist" friendly. None of them are believers but in opposition or "mad at God". That's the masturbatory fantasm of some believers with a persecution complex. At best, some atheists I have met, could be said to be mad at believers for the awfull things they have done to them and do to others, but they aren't "mad at God". You are the subject of their anger and disgust not your deity.

 

[Link]

Source?
And I specific mean the studies you refer to in your above quoted post.

I was taught that in a University class I took, I don't have the sources. It was being taught by an Atheist professor as well.

 

[ChristineM]

The word worship and God is just what we value or exalt or respect or love the greatest compared to other things. Atheists replace God as in the Creator with other things they value and love.

It's impossible there being an Atheist unless you believe there is no value to the universe or a person chooses not to value anything.

Exalted beings - the chosen ones - nothing should be loved and valued on par with them, God of course is the highest exalted being who exalted ones cannot compare to and hence are not gods, but if we don't exalt the chosen ones, we tend to idolize others and not even have a way to God and truth.

And so really Atheists are ACreator(s). They are without belief in a Creator to the universe.

However, they worship other things they hold dear depending on their characters and if they are good, they aren't selfish but value all humans equally as rational and reasoning is against selfishness which is irrational to believe you are to be valued more then others. However in that case, they are more worshiping humans as a race in general or if they love animals as much, then animals included.

God is the Greatest being that all life stems from him and doesn't add to the amount of life there is. Loving God and not loving his creation is oxymoron and deceptive, who knows God loves his neighbor as themselves.

Ask the universe whether it cares

Really atheists have a lack of belief in god or gods. That includes a lack of belief in god magic

And can i ask why is it that theist always brand atheist in their own belief system. Surly you respect your own belief, is it impossible for you to allow atheists their own beliefs/disbeliefs?

 

[McBell]

The word worship and God is just what we value or exalt or respect or love the greatest compared to other things. Atheists replace God as in the Creator with other things they value and love.

Why such a meaningless definition of the word "god"?

It's impossible there being an Atheist unless you believe there is no value to the universe or a person chooses not to value anything.

Only because you rendered the word god meaningless.
Thus making it a you problem, not actual problem outside of you.

Exalted beings - the chosen ones - nothing should be loved and valued on par with them, God of course is the highest exalted being who exalted ones cannot compare to and hence are not gods, but if we don't exalt the chosen ones, we tend to idolize others and not even have a way to God and truth.

Seems you have already forgotten your own definition of the word god.

And so really Atheists are ACreator(s). They are without belief in a Creator to the universe.

and?

However, they worship other things they hold dear depending on their characters and if they are good, they aren't selfish but value all humans equally as rational and reasoning is against selfishness which is irrational to believe you are to be valued more then others. However in that case, they are more worshiping humans as a race in general or if they love animals as much, then animals included.

Dictation to others what they think and or believe is nothing more than a strawman.

God is the Greatest being that all life stems from him and doesn't add to the amount of life there is. Loving God and not loving his creation is oxymoron and deceptive, who knows God loves his neighbor as themselves.

which god would that be?
I mean, seeing as you started out defining god as anything you think someone worships....

 

[McBell]

I was taught that in a University class I took, I don't have the sources. It was being taught by an Atheist professor as well.

So you make a claim that you can not support and expect to be taken seriously about it?

 

[Link]

So you make a claim that you can not support and expect to be taken seriously about it?

I care less, I took it in Academic setting, I still trust the professors research over this subject more then e-scholars conclusions on articles they stumble upon.

 

[Link]

Why such a meaningless definition of the word "god"?


Only because you rendered the word god meaningless.
Thus making it a you problem, not actual problem outside of you.


Seems you have already forgotten your own definition of the word god.


and?


Dictation to others what they think and or believe is nothing more than a strawman.


which god would that be?
I mean, seeing as you started out defining god as anything you think someone worships....

It's not meaningless, love is the most important thing humans have, as such the highest thing we are to love, is the most defining thing to a human. God the Exalted being he is, has made it that we ought to love things accurately and with guidance to how and what things are truly. We are in need of his judgment and vision for that, and his eyes and light of his vision he extends to us are his exalted words brought to life like Moses and Jesus, like Mohammad and Ali and Fatima, like Abraham and Sarah.

As God is the highest and most closest thing to us in terms of love and origin, we are to love him and thank him for his blessings. We are also to believe in his guidance and trust in his rope, and seek his help and the help of his forces, the Guides and the Angels under those carriers of the throne, they are to be relied upon in a dark world of misguiding leaders, of chaotic winds, and of dark paths that lead away from the source.

 

[McBell]

I care less, I took it in Academic setting, I still trust the professors research over this subject more then e-scholars conclusions on articles they stumble upon.

And then to top it off, you don't even care about your credibility?

Rather difficult to take you seriously at this point.

 

[Windwalker]

I disagree. Questions about god are theological. Questions about the belief in god are psychological.

But it's not a question about beliefs and why people have them. It's a question about the nature and existence of God itself. That makes is a question about God. "I don't believe God exists", is an answer to a question about God's existence. It's not about why people believe the way they do about God. That would be more a psychological/sociological question.

And therein lie all the misunderstandings.

There is no misunderstanding on my part. I believe the misunderstanding is on a lot of popular atheist views about this. I'm attempting to point out why that is so from my perspective.

Believers can't fathom that someone doesn't believe in god and atheists/Agnostics don't understand how someone can believe in something without any evidence or often against all evidence.

I can pretty easily fathom why both believers and atheists believe how they do. Each is seeing things through their particular filters that colorizes the question of God into their respective belief structures. Both are looking at the God question, and coming out with a different take on the same question.

 

[ChristineM]

I was taught that in a University class I took, I don't have the sources. It was being taught by an Atheist professor as well.

Figures, its been refuted, so read the article

I'm an atheist. I hang around atheist forums . I live surrounded by other atheists since my culture isn't "theist" friendly. None of them are believers but in opposition or "mad at God". That's the masturbatory fantasm of some believers with a persecution complex. At best, some atheists I have met, could be said to be mad at believers for the awfull things they have done to them and do to others, but they aren't "mad at God". You are the subject of their anger and disgust not your deity.

Kind of like being mad at harry potter

 

[Link]

Figures, its been refuted, so read the article


Kind of like being mad at harry potter

An Article author, can write what they want, you can find anything to refute anything on the internet and cause falsehood on studies out there, I took this course this summer.

 

[Heyo]

And so really Atheists are ACreator(s). They are without belief in a Creator to the universe.

When you go by the exact meaning of the word that isn't true.
A theos is a personal god whereas a deos is simply a creator. You can, by the strict meaning of the word, be a deist or pantheist and an atheist at the same time.
But that is just nitpicking and has little relevance for most atheists.

 

[ChristineM]

I care less, I took it in Academic setting, I still trust the professors research over this subject more then e-scholars conclusions on articles they stumble upon.

That explains much

 

[Link]

When you go by the exact meaning of the word that isn't true.
A theos is a personal god whereas a deos is simply a creator. You can, by the strict meaning of the word, be a deist or pantheist and an atheist at the same time.
But that is just nitpicking and has little relevance for most atheists.

I know this is not true of the Torah or Gospels or Quran, the word idols includes anything that is valued on par with God or in rival to God and obedience to Him.

 

[ChristineM]

An Article author, can write what they want, you can find anything to refute anything on the internet and cause falsehood on studies out there, I took this course this summer.

A scientific peer reviewed article.

Not published as a book to make a mercenary profit from gullible believers?

Then your professor needs to update what he is teaching