Atheism: Good enough for these idiots. Meme

[Ouroboros]

Also, we're all ignorant of something; in fact, we're ignorant of more things than we are not ignorant of.

We're also ignorant about what things we're ignorant about.

In other words, we don't know what things we don't know anything about. There's probably an infinite amount of information and knowledge, so it's impossible to know it all.

 

[Desert Snake]

nevermind.

 

[ChristineES]

Only Dawkins labels himself as one. Darwin, Sagan, and Einstein all disliked being associated with or thought of as atheists, from what I can gather. But it's also important to realized that they were not Theists either.

No, they were/are not.

 

[columbus]

Hmm... So are any of those pictured actually atheists, then?

I don't believe so. I believe that they are all agnostic deists.

Rather like me. Doesn't that make me feel special!

Tom

 

[Ouroboros]

No, they were/are not.

Oops. I made a mistake. I said Dawkins was in the picture and was atheist, but he's not in the picture.

So no, none of them (I think) in the picture were truly atheists (at least not in the "hard-explicit" way, today there's so many versions of atheists, like implicit, explicit, hard, soft, mellow, yellow, vanilla, and militant atheist, so I can't say if today whatever went as an agnostic back then today would be called somethin'-somethin' atheist. I'm sure we'll soon have some kind of theist-atheist too... wait... that's me! )

 

[Retcha]

Only Dawkins labels himself as one. Darwin, Sagan, and Einstein all disliked being associated with or thought of as atheists, from what I can gather. But it's also important to realized that they were not Theists either.

I guess its a way of humility that they must have felt back then. Which Einstein for example talked about. Although they were sceptics in that sense of being sceptical about the stuff that christians believed in and critical aswell.

 

[Ouroboros]

I guess its a way of humility that they must have felt back then. Which Einstein for example talked about. Although they were sceptics in that sense of being sceptical about the stuff that christians believed in.

Yup. They were very much skeptics. Einstein was more of a Spinoza pantheist, which is more inline with how I believe or think too. So I'm as smart as Einstein! Yay! Pantheism was good enough for Einstein, so it's good enough for me.

 

[Retcha]

Yup. They were very much skeptics. Einstein was more of a Spinoza pantheist, which is more inline with how I believe or think too. So I'm as smart as Einstein! Yay! Pantheism was good enough for Einstein, so it's good enough for me.

Aslong as you find out what you want out of your life, then thats awesome enough ^^

Hehe its good to have a role model to look up too.

 

[Ouroboros]

Aslong as you find out what you want out of your life, then thats awesome enough ^^

Hehe its good to have a role model to look up too.

And hair model as well. I got that crazy hair going for me too. LOL!

 

[Bunyip]

I looked them up, and yes Darwin was very strong on his agnostic view and considered atheism to be too aggressive. From what I could find though, it seems like Sagan was also agnostic and not atheist.

Atheist and agnostic are not exclusive terms. Sagan was atheist and agnostic.

 

[metis]

Part of the problem is how one defines "atheist". My approach, which is only one possible definition of "atheist" that's available, is one who believes there are no deities. An "agnostic", in my usage of the term, is one who is uncertain as to whether there are any deities.

 

[Bunyip]

Part of the problem is how one defines "atheist". My approach, which is only one possible definition of "atheist" that's available, is one who believes there are no deities. An "agnostic", in my usage of the term, is one who is uncertain as to whether there are any deities.

Surely under that definition no atheist could exist? It is not possible to be certain in this regard. You would be defining atheism a an impossible position.

 

[Desert Snake]

Surely under that definition no atheist could exist? It is not possible to be certain in this regard. You would be defining atheism a an impossible position.

?? Dude, it's a pretty common position. Logic and reality never stopped anyone from holding a position.

 

[Bunyip]

?? Dude, it's a pretty common position. Logic and reality never stopped anyone from holding a position.

I do not think it s a common position at all, I think it is a common misrepresentation. As I said, it is a definition under which there can be no atheists.

 

[metis]

Surely under that definition no atheist could exist? It is not possible to be certain in this regard. You would be defining atheism a an impossible position.

Oh, but there are some whom I have discussed such matters with whom are quite certain there are no deities. Under this definition, "atheism" is a belief, and beliefs do not need to rely on objective evidence.

 

[Bunyip]

Oh, but there are some whom I have discussed such matters with whom are quite certain there are no deities. Under this definition, "atheism" is a belief, and beliefs do not need to rely on objective evidence.

I am quite certain that there are no deities, but that is not the same as claiming to know that there are no deities. Surely beliefs and certainties are different?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I usually don't look up memes. But if you have google imaged. Then you have probably seen this. But i found this picture kinda interesting though

But I don't get it. What does atheism have to do with any of this. I don't think any of these guys were atheist. I think Sagan was a (agnostic atheist)...but truth be told I don't know much about him on a personal level. As an atheist these guy's religious views or lack there of isn't the most important accomplishments to man's understanding of (______). You fill in the blank given that each of these people contributed so much to humanity.