Atheism is a RELIGION

[osgart]

So it is a belief system, right?

1. delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality (nature) or rational argument (logic), typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

2. Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).​

Atheism is truly deluded.

Atheists would assert that God is a delusion.

Your definitions of a belief system is not right. Those are definitions of psychiatric problems.

Belief - Wikipedia

 

[Matheist]

Atheists would assert that God is a delusion.

Your definitions of a belief system is not right. Those are definitions of psychiatric problems.

Belief - Wikipedia

That is not the issue.

The issue is whether Atheism is delusional for Hasty Generalization etc? The issue is whether Atheism is doing the same thing as religious people through their "anti" doctrine?

 

[QuestioningMind]

The official definition of Atheism

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.​

Conclusion

1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.

2. The claim for belief in God (The Dawkin's Scale *)

3. The claim for disbelief in God

4. The claim for without belief in God

(vs. not making a choice when everything has its causes and effects, IS A CHOICE - Burden of Proof)​

* There are 320,000,000 Gods

Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.

Atheism is a Religion.



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Premise 1: Who is an Atheist?

Pure Agnostic: God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

Premise 2: "Equiprobable, skeptical, improbable" means:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)​

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Conclusion: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods
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4. Pure Agnostic

God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.​

equiprobable: (of two or more things) equally likely to occur; having EQUAL PROBABILITY.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

5. Weak Atheist

I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.​

skeptical​

1. not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations.
2. relating to the theory that certain knowledge is impossible.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

6. De-facto Atheist

I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

improbable​

1. not likely to be true or to happen.

synonyms: unlikely, not likely, doubtful, dubious, debatable, questionable, uncertain;
More: unexpected and apparently inauthentic.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

What a ridiculous claim. IF lack of belief in something is a religion then every single person has an infinite number of different religions. You lack of belief in magical fairies is a religion. You lack of belief in little green men from Mars is a religion. You lack of belief that the moon is made of green cheese is a religion.

WONDERFUL definition for religion... IF you want to make the word meaningless.

 

[SomeRandom]

Does the above argument support the validity of Atheism?

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.​

Yes. That is their position, far as I can tell. And?

 

[wandering peacefully]

Atheism not rooted in science, logic, philosophy, facts and based on the hasty generalization that there is no Truth in gods and religions. This is dogmatism, and it is RELIGIOUS. Different brands, but same product.

Why feel the need for athism to be a religion? And it is declared as if theism is some kind of an insult. Very odd.

 

[Matheist]

Why feel the need for athism to be a religion? And it is declared as if theism is some kind of an insult. Very odd.

Then you need to do something with the official definition of Atheism. It is insulting Atheism.

 

[osgart]

That is not the issue.

The issue is whether Atheism is delusional for Hasty Generalization etc? The issue is whether Atheism is doing the same thing as religious people through their "anti" doctrine?

You are talking about anti-theists, and not atheists. And your definition of religion is not right.

secular humanism has ideologies and practices, but they do not worship a higher power of supernatural attributes thus not a religion.

And when is the last time you observed something supernatural in nature?

 

[wandering peacefully]

That is not the issue.

The issue is whether Atheism is delusional for Hasty Generalization etc? The issue is whether Atheism is doing the same thing as religious people through their "anti" doctrine?

I would say no. It's not hasty. Many atheists were theists for years before becoming atheists.

it is not anti anything except belief in theists claims.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Then you need to do something with the official definition of Atheism. It is insulting Atheism.

Easy. Change the name of atheists to

"Unbelievers"

 

[Matheist]

What a ridiculous claim. IF lack of belief in something is a religion then every single person has an infinite number of different religions. You lack of belief in magical fairies is a religion. You lack of belief in little green men from Mars is a religion. You lack of belief that the moon is made of green cheese is a religion.

WONDERFUL definition for religion... IF you want to make the word meaningless.

Not according to Richard Dawkins

Pure Agnostic: God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

It is

1. Belief in God
2. Disbelief in God​

Therefore, a Religion... with 320,000,000 Gods and since, it is only mentioning "God(s)" and with no specific reference.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The official definition of Atheism

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.​

Conclusion

1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.

2. The claim for belief in God (The Dawkin's Scale *)

3. The claim for disbelief in God

4. The claim for without belief in God

(vs. not making a choice when everything has its causes and effects, IS A CHOICE - Burden of Proof)​

* There are 320,000,000 Gods

Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.

Atheism is a Religion.



*

Premise 1: Who is an Atheist?

Pure Agnostic: God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

Premise 2: "Equiprobable, skeptical, improbable" means:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)​

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Conclusion: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods
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4. Pure Agnostic

God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.​

equiprobable: (of two or more things) equally likely to occur; having EQUAL PROBABILITY.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

5. Weak Atheist

I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.​

skeptical​

1. not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations.
2. relating to the theory that certain knowledge is impossible.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

6. De-facto Atheist

I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

improbable​

1. not likely to be true or to happen.

synonyms: unlikely, not likely, doubtful, dubious, debatable, questionable, uncertain;
More: unexpected and apparently inauthentic.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

Oh, Lord, not again!

Not collecting stamps is a hobby, then. Get used to it.

In your fervour to make everybody religious, you seem willing to throw away everything else, including basic reasoning. Is it really, really worth it?

 

[Salvador]

Atheism is as much a religion as the non-collection of stamps is a hobby.....

 

[Matheist]

Yes. That is their position, far as I can tell. And?

I see nothing from the definition. Can you point out which of your arguments are consistent with the definition of Atheism?

 

[siti]

S'not! S'not a religion, s'not science, s'not a philosophy...s'not any of these (necessarily, although there's no reason why someone might not make their atheism the foundation of a religion or a philosophy if they wanted to but there's no reason why they should if they didn't) - atheism is just the lack of belief in deities. Belief in deities is not a religion either (necessarily...etc.)

 

[ChristineM]

Nature is always LOGICAL in EVERYTHING it does. Nature is about Self-preservation

Not so, nature is chaotic from the smallest quantum particle to the fabric of the universe.

The universe itself is not self preserving, it is decaying, becoming more and more disordered as it moves to maximum entropy

everything has its LordLaw of Cause & Effect

Again incorrect. In the quantum domain effect without cause is common. In the atomic world what caused radioactive decay? What causes a particle to break away at this time rather than another time?

There is no such thing as "cause" and "effect" in fundamental laws of physics. It is a human concept.

Not choosing, IS A CHOICE.

Like NOT believing is believing?

 

[Matheist]

You are talking about anti-theists, and not atheists. And your definition of religion is not right.

The word is "OR" and thus, it is overlapping.

and it is not my definition, it is your official definition of Atheism.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Not according to Richard Dawkins

Pure Agnostic: God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

It is

1. Belief in God
2. Disbelief in God​

Therefore, a Religion... with 320,000,000 Gods and since, it is only mentioning "God(s)" and with no specific reference.

And who told you that Richard Dawkins gets the final say on how we define religion? I agree with much of what the man says, but not everything.

When it comes to magical fairies its:

1. Belief in magical fairies
2. A lack of belief in magical fairies.

So tell me, do you consider your lack of belief in magical fairies to be one of your religions? Is a MORE or LESS important a religion to you than your lack of belief in little green men from Mars?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Theists have established the probability and thus, the definition of Atheism:

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.​

No they haven't.

If you were to show the probability of not a god being there, and a god being there.

Atheists will win each and every time.

 

[Matheist]

Not so, nature is chaotic from the smallest quantum particle to the fabric of the universe.

The universe itself is not self preserving, it is decaying, becoming more and more disordered as it moves to maximum entropy

Then why it is "1" and "0"?

and that does not explain it correctly since the goal of all life is death, but the energy remains at "1".

Again incorrect. In the quantum domain effect without cause is common. In the atomic world what caused radioactive decay? What causes a particle to break away at this time rather than another time?

So you believe in supernatural?

There is no such thing as "cause" and "effect" in fundamental laws of physics. It is a human concept.

"There is no such thing" and that is absurd.

Like NOT believing is believing?

beLIEf is not even a fact, but opinion. Whereas not choosing to live your life and align your nature to NATURE is a choice. It is the choice for your own destruction (ecological disorder).

 

[Brickjectivity]

1. Atheism has nothing to do with Natural Order or Nature

Nobody is really arguing that atheism is a requirement of nature. I am not.

and Nature is always LOGICAL in EVERYTHING it does

Nature is orderly. Math is logical.

Nature is about Self-preservation.

There is order and the eventual decrease of potential energy, things crystallizing and getting colder.

Claiming Atheism is not a Religion (Nature) is an argument.

It is indeed an argument based on an opinion that its not a religion.

2. Atheism is the disbelief (oppose / anti) of God,

Atheism means someone doesn't have a belief in God. So for example if you say there is a God the atheist will either say "I am not convinced" "Maybe" or "No there isn't."

or lack of belief in a world that everything has its LordLaw of Cause & Effect.

You can believe that there is order in the world but not believe in God, because order is obvious.

Thus it is a choice

Believing in God is a choice, but not believing in God is not. Its like lifting your arm is a choice, but not lifting it could just mean you aren't thinking about your arm.

because not choosing in the reality of natural order (cause and effect) IS A CHOICE. That is an argument.

No, its not; because order is observable. Believing in God is believing in invisible things.

Not choosing, IS A CHOICE.

Choosing means something else. When you choose you are selecting options. If you simply don't see an option then you can't choose it.