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Atheism is a RELIGION

Matheist

http://animist.net
Well, no. That is just not even close to true, nor does it even have much of a clear meaning to begin with.


This does not make sense even grammatically.

They are responsible for what they said, they are not responsible for what you understand.

They said: Nature's God.

ALL MANKIND agree with this.
 

Matheist

http://animist.net
Could it be said that Atheism is UNCONSTITUTIONALIZED & ILLEGAL? The terrorist?

United States Declaration of Independence: "...When in the course of human events [ie. ALL GODS], it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God [ie. ALL GODS SAME GOD] entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation..."

The Declaration of Independence: Full text
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
That is "Argumentum ad lapidem is a logical fallacy that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity."
Nope. That is instead a pinch of basic awareness of the variety of religions coupled with a functional understanding of the burden of proof.
 

Matheist

http://animist.net
You have been given multiple proofs that your argument is absurd - you just keep ignoring them.

Strawman fallacy is not an argument...

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Whereas God = Nature's God, God of the Universe, The Designer/Architect etc.

United States Declaration of Independence: "...When in the course of human events [ie. ALL GODS], it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God [ie. ALL GODS] entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation..."​

Premise 1: Disbelief in the existence of Nature's God(s).

Assumption 1. refusal to accept that Nature's God(s) is true or real.

Hidden 1: Is a belief, Atheist's set of belief
Hidden 2: Is a faith (no proof to counter #255)

Argumentum ad lapidem is a logical fallacy that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity.
Assumption 2.
Counterargument against Nature's God(s) #255

Premise 2: Lack of belief in the existence of Nature's God(s).


Assumption 1. Without belief in Nature's Gods, or <- Strawman

Assumption 2. Both belief and disbelief in Nature's God(s).

Hidden 1: Pure Agnostic/Equiprobable
Hidden 2: Weak Atheist/Skeptic
Hidden 3: De-facto Atheist/Improbable
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THEREFORE: Atheism is a Religion [with 320,000,000 God(s)]

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ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Strawman fallacy is not an argument...

So you don't know what a straw man argument is either.

Premise 1: Disbelief in the existence of Nature's God(s).

Assumption 1. refusal to accept that Nature's God(s) is true or real.

Hidden 1: Is a belief, Atheist's set of belief
Hidden 2: Is a faith (no proof to counter #255)

Argumentum ad lapidem is a logical fallacy that consists in dismissing a statement as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity.
Assumption 2. Counterargument against Nature's God(s) #255
Premise 2: Lack of belief in the existence of Nature's God(s).


Assumption 1. Without belief in Nature's Gods, or <- Strawman

Assumption 2. Both belief and disbelief in Nature's God(s).
Hidden 1: Pure Agnostic/Equiprobable
Hidden 2: Weak Atheist/Skeptic
Hidden 3: De-facto Atheist/Improbable-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THEREFORE: Atheism is a Religion [with 320,000,000 God(s)]

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This makes makes no sense at all. I mean that literally - it just doesn't mean anything. Perhaps you slow down a bit and try to express it a little more coherently.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Stop it. You know perfectly well that I'm talking about "faith" in the sense of religious belief.
Seems to me it describes just about every organized religion...
Seems to me it describes just about every organized and un-organized religion.
Jesus was Not kidding when he said his followers (genuine and fake) would be hated - Matthew 10:22; 24:9
The ' showdown ' time of separating to take place on Earth is approaching as found at Matthew 25:31-33.
It won't be long before the ' powers that be ' will turn on Christendom ( fake 'weed/tares' Christians ).

I find there are people who put ' faith ' in oneself, so what a person puts first in one's life is their ' god '.
What is put first is their religious belief even if Not thought of in that category.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Why do you do this? Why is it necessary to change my words so that they seem to no longer say what I mean. For me to say that "while I cannot state categorically that no gods exist," and then later go on to give the good and solid reasons why I do not, in any case, think that there are any -- you do not then get to translate that into "I think there might be a God." I do not think that at all. I simply cannot make a categorical claim.
Is it really, really important to you to classify my beliefs to better suit your own thoughts? Aren't I allowed to think for myself?
Yipes! How did you conclude I am Not allowed to think for myself
For someone to say they 'can't categorically say no gods exists' to me means an 'agnostic', not atheist.
My high school English teacher said she was an 'agnostic' because she was Not sure God exists.
She said that because one student asked if she was an atheist. (one who categorically states No God/god exists)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
........ I'm saying that the entire Bible is nothing more than a collection of stories that probably have little to no bearing on reality at all. I'm an atheist.

To me 'reality' is that most people if you ask them if they want peace they say, ' yes '.
So, since most people say they want peace, then why isn't there more peace on earth.
To me 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 has bearing on reality because it describes the selfish distorted form of love the world now displays which is in sharp contrast to the definition of love as defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6 the type of love Jesus showed.
I wonder what is your reality about the world scene
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Atheism requires no belief other than that the evidence for gods is insufficient to the atheist to justify the belief that a god or gods exist. There is no dogma. Furthermore, even if there were dogma, that alone is not sufficient to call atheism a religion.
I can't, unless you are referring to gods described as having mutually exclusive properties at the same time. Those I can rule out, like married bachelors. There's no such thing, and one needn't search the world to know that.
It's both. Most atheists are also agnostics. They are atheists because they do not believe in gods, and agnostics because the acknowledge that they have no way to rule the possibility out, and are willing to change their position to theist if given a rational reason to do so.
None too contradictory or absurd to consider, but some that are too contradictory or absurd to believe. For example, claiming that meekness is a virtue.
How did you determine that?

Thank you for your thought-out reply.
Since my high school English teacher was, in her thinking, an agnostic, then to me being an agnostic would Not make her also an atheist. So, now it seems the modern thinking is being an 'atheist/agnostic' which she wasn't.

A meek person is a humble as opposed to being a haughty person. A mild person without being haughty or vain.
A meek person is a person who can be taught as per Psalms 25:9.
Someone with meekness does Not become heated up with anger - Psalms 37:8-11 - but tries to be calm.
A meek or humble person would Not brag by 'blowing his own horn', so to speak - Proverbs 27:2
To his enemy he would give food and drink as per Proverbs 25:21.
So, to me biblical meekness is a virtue worthy of imitation - Philippians 4:8 - and Not absurd.

How did I determine that ? was from a clipping by a Professor Frantisek Vyskocil who did research in neurophysiology. He got that information from a Russian scientist and professor.
Also, in the book Nanomedicine stated the body is make up of 41 chemical elements as building blocks.
So, what made these life-less building blocks live, or where does the spark of life come from ?
Antony Flew (4/8/2010) concluded that DNA research has shown by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangments which are needed to produce life, that intelligence must have been involved.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
It is beyond ironical how deeply confused and misguided the conceptions about atheism are among the very group that has the most interest has in atheism, namely Muslims and Christians..
I'm surprised to read ^ above ^ that Christians are among the very group that has the most interest in atheism.
I never heard that nor had or showed interest in atheism.
In the 60's I played chess with an atheist while a friend attended college in NYC.
He said he had some questions that we could discuss.
One was about how corrupt the clergy is. I told him the clergy was corrupt in Jesus' day so it is No surprise today.
Plus, he wanted to go to the United Nations and wanted me to explain to him the Isaiah Wall as the U.N. Plaza.
Other than that, I had Not given much interest in atheism.
My high school English teacher had us read and discuss poetry written by atheists (or at least ones without faith).
That poetry did Not spark an interest in atheism in me, but it did make for a lively discussions.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Entropy : a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
As the universe gets older entropy increases as per the second law of thermodynamics.
Nope, for a start mutations do not need to be beneficial to drive evolution and have you any idea how long 3.5 billion years is? Consider just 65 million years ago this ball of rock was ruled by dinosaurs. Then consider that science is currently studying observable evolution in several species of animal
You also need do understand that entropy predicts life.
Yes the universe is expanding, think of the consequences should it continue to expand for say 15 trillion years.
Ok, what is the first law of thermodynamics.
Disorder or randomness in the universe, but out of chaos was brought forth order.
So, without a Creator, the universe could revert, but since I believe there is a Creator then it will Not revert.
Does older have to mean as in aging like a person or animal ages and dies.
The universe has stellar nurseries, that is Not showing growing older/aging.
What consequences, I have No idea.
 
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