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Atheism is not a default position

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dogfishparisi

Member
Atheism is a title self-ascribed to by many different sorts of non-believers. Just as Christian is a term used by all manner of supposedly faithful individuals to identify their specific faith. Both groupings are overrun with individuals who claim to know/ represent the true identity of the group.
It's quite interesting to look closely at what things people claim are indicative of faith-or of atheism.
We are all on a faith journey of sorts, as we leap to make those connections in this awkward and amazing experience called life. Some of us call the unknowable (the limitless depth of our universe -our existence )-God.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
leibowde84 said:
The "effect" you speak of is merely based on your belief and speculation. Thus, the definition of general terms should not be based on them. Maybe if the effect was known it would be different. But that certainly is not the case.
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So you dismiss ALL effect to keep your line drawn?
(for the first time ever I must say....that is intellectual dishonesty)

Atheism is a line drawn.
It is not for children.

Let's stop tossing the baby back and forth.
and grow up.

you up for this?
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
So you dismiss ALL effect to keep your line drawn?
(for the first time ever I must say....that is intellectual dishonesty)

Atheism is a line drawn.
It is not for children.

Let's stop tossing the baby back and forth.
and grow up.

you up for this?
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Still waiting on your explanation for why the assignment of the term "implicit atheist" to a baby has any kind of effect. Can you please explain your reasoning behind this? Are you saying that this will be some kind of determining factor of they die before they have a chance to consider the option? Please ... I am honestly interested to hear why you feel that it would have any negative effect at all.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
leibowde84 said:
Still waiting on your explanation for why the assignment of the term "implicit atheist" to a baby has any kind of effect. Can you please explain your reasoning behind this? Are you saying that this will be some kind of determining factor of they die before they have a chance to consider the option? Please ... I am honestly interested to hear why you feel that it would have any negative effect at all.
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see previous post
 
LegionOnomaMoi

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Ouroboros said:
Thank you for that list. I don't know if you had it from before, found it, or actually compiled it yourself, but it takes a lot of effort to find that information. Good job.
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Thanks, but I can't really take any credit other than having access to the OED. Every definition comes with a complete etymology, list of forms (e.g., "atheyst, 15–16 athist(e" for the entry "atheist"), and examples of usage that begin basically with the first and continue (to the end of usage, in the case of obsolete or archaic words).


The unbelief wasn't blank. It was a map of brain activity just as much as belief was.
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Right. After all, brain activity is constant, continuous. Concepts, beliefs, etc., are patterns of neuronal activity and changes to these means changing the patterns.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
LegionOnomaMoi said:
Thanks, but I can't really take any credit other than having access to the OED. Every definition comes with a complete etymology, list of forms (e.g., "atheyst, 15–16 athist(e" for the entry "atheist"), and examples of usage that begin basically with the first and continue (to the end of usage, in the case of obsolete or archaic words).
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I just realized I have access to OED too! Yay! Found the entry. :)
 
ImmortalFlame

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
marcosmasliaev said:
If you have any other idea, tell us.
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God was created by MegaGod, who is God's God. MegaGod was created by the fusion of SuperGod and UltraGod when the two teamed up to battle RoboGod - all three of whom were the creation of Professor God, who was born to Mr and Mrs Professor God who were formed at the point of the Universe's formation by the meeting of the concept of ideas and the notion of physical reality at a quantum point fracture at the planck time, before which nothing existed.

True or not, my idea definitely sounds a lot cooler.

Oh, and also that's called an argument from ignorance. Not a good debating tactic.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
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I'm sorry, but you have not even attempted to explain this. Please provide the reasoning behind your belief, not merely the belief itself. Here is my question:

"Still waiting on your explanation for why the assignment of the term "implicit atheist" to a baby has any kind of effect. Can you please explain your reasoning behind this? Are you saying that this will be some kind of determining factor of they die before they have a chance to consider the option? Please ... I am honestly interested to hear why you feel that it would have any negative effect at all."
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
see previous post
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I'll try to make it clearer:

What is the effect (negative or positive) of labeling a child as "implicitly atheist" until they are able to consider the possibility of "theism" for themselves? I honestly cannot think of a possible negative consequence.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Thief said:
So you dismiss ALL effect to keep your line drawn?
(for the first time ever I must say....that is intellectual dishonesty)

Atheism is a line drawn.
It is not for children.

Let's stop tossing the baby back and forth.
and grow up.

you up for this?
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Whenever something is "implicitly" the case, it means, by definition, that there was no active choice involved. The concept is true only by definition.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
leibowde84 said:
I'll try to make it clearer:

What is the effect (negative or positive) of labeling a child as "implicitly atheist" until they are able to consider the possibility of "theism" for themselves? I honestly cannot think of a possible negative consequence.
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besides God and heaven?....an objection on their part?
(I think they might well object)

and then the child might grow up enough to hear the word aimed at them....
and they don't understand....
but they will....
 
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