Atheism: The Great Nothing!

[ImmortalFlame]

All humans obviously didnot start out as sperm, spomodazoa didnot create itself first. If such was the case, explain to me how a single sperm cell, the first one, could then have a child? What was the womb? Where did the womb come from, or are you suggesting that this first sperm cell cultivated itself, created a womb that was not human, then placed itself into this manufactored womb and out popped the first human. Thats complette nonsense in my view.

You said: "I do not believe that superior things can be birthed from inferior things, such as evolution is suggesting." and "Intelligence must breed intelligence, it cannot be born from things far lesser than itself."

Since humans come from sperm (and before sperm, nothing), your claim is demonstrably false. Intelligence can and does arise from lesser forms. If a human being can be developed from a cell the size of a pinprick to an intelligent creature in just nine months, I see no problem with the notion that simple lifeforms can reproduce and mutate into intelligent creatures over a period of millions of years.

In short, you're wrong.

Birth is an intelligent reality, and could only have originated from a far more intelligent source. Reproduction didnot start itself, it had to have a reasonable beginning which can be explained without theory.

That's like saying it can be explained without an explanation.

The belief that intelligence came from nothing is nonsense in my view. That would make " Nothing" the greatest thing in existence.

Which is absurd!

Why?

 

[mickiel]

Since humans come from sperm (and before sperm, nothing), your claim is demonstrably false. Intelligence can and does arise from lesser forms. If a human being can be developed from a cell the size of a pinprick to an intelligent creature in just nine months, I see no problem with the notion that simple lifeforms can reproduce and mutate into intelligent creatures over a period of millions of years.

In short, you're wrong.


That's like saying it can be explained without an explanation.


Why?

If humans came from sperm, where did the sperm come from? You are suggesting it came from absolute nothing, and I think that to be wrong, dead wrong. It is not possible for nothing to produce something, there are absolutely no credible examples of something comming from nothing. And there are no examples of human life being possible without a womb of a woman producing it. And the sperm came from a man, to suggest sperm came before a human did is rediculus. A man had to be first created, there are no other reasonable alternitives.

Unless you suggest that we begin to understand all this from fantasy island.

Peace.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If humans came from sperm, where did the sperm come from? You are suggesting it came from absolute nothing, and I think that to be wrong, dead wrong. It is not possible for nothing to produce something, there are absolutely no credible examples of something comming from nothing. And there are no examples of human life being possible without a womb of a woman producing it. And the sperm came from a man, to suggest sperm came before a human did is rediculus. A man had to be first created, there are no other reasonable alternitives.

You're not understanding what I'm typing, are you?

You've repeatedly claimed that it's impossible for intelligent beings to form out of "inferior" beings, yet this is exactly what we see every day in human reproduction. A process by which a human sperm cell develops into a fully sentient being over a period of nine months.

Of course this doesn't happen on it's own, but neither does mutation. You're getting into a bizarre chicken-egg scenario, where we have a fully-formed explanation of how intelligent life arose from single-celled organisms, and you're rejecting it purely on the basis of your own inability to accept it. Nothing more.

If your position were so reasonable, then please explain to me why practically every scientists on the planet disagrees with you? Either you're more intelligent than every single one of them combined, or you're talking nonsense.

Honestly, just be reasonable for once.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

If humans came from sperm, where did the sperm come from? You are suggesting it came from absolute nothing, and I think that to be wrong, dead wrong. It is not possible for nothing to produce something, there are absolutely no credible examples of something comming from nothing. And there are no examples of human life being possible without a womb of a woman producing it. And the sperm came from a man, to suggest sperm came before a human did is rediculus. A man had to be first created, there are no other reasonable alternitives.

Unless you suggest that we begin to understand all this from fantasy island.

Peace.

If something can't come from nothing where did God come from?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

If something can't come from nothing where did God come from?

The imagination of men.

 

[mickiel]

You're not understanding what I'm typing, are you?

You've repeatedly claimed that it's impossible for intelligent beings to form out of "inferior" beings, yet this is exactly what we see every day in human reproduction. A process by which a human sperm cell develops into a fully sentient being over a period of nine months.

Of course this doesn't happen on it's own, but neither does mutation. You're getting into a bizarre chicken-egg scenario, where we have a fully-formed explanation of how intelligent life arose from single-celled organisms, and you're rejecting it purely on the basis of your own inability to accept it. Nothing more.

If your position were so reasonable, then please explain to me why practically every scientists on the planet disagrees with you? Either you're more intelligent than every single one of them combined, or you're talking nonsense.

Honestly, just be reasonable for once.

Have you never had a whole group of people disagree with you? I am not into this " Majority thought thing", I think for myself. Which came first, the chicken or the egg, I think that is a reasonable question. I believe the chicken came first, then reproduction started from there. So it is with man, a single man was created, then a woman, then reproduction started from those two mating.

This is reasonable in my view. It is unreasonable to assume that living cells came from nonliving things which just happen to create themselves.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

If something can't come from nothing where did God come from?

I don't know. If I did, I would say so.

Peace.

 

[Copernicus]

I don't know. If I did, I would say so.

Why can't you say "I don't know" for the universe? In that particular case, you feel compelled to offer God as the explanation. It is just when someone asks you about where God came from that you think "I don't know" is an adequate answer.

 

[Sententia]

I don't know. If I did, I would say so.

Peace.

But you said you came from god which you also could not know but you did not refrain from saying so.

True followers of jesus would not lie and connive like this. (If Jesus was even the actual son of god)

 

[Sententia]

Why can't you say "I don't know" for the universe? In that particular case, you feel compelled to offer God as the explanation. It is just when someone asks you about where God came from that you think "I don't know" is an adequate answer.

Exactly.

 

[Agnostic75]

I find it interesting that humanity can become so entralled with things that are really Nothing. How great movements of Nothing can literally sweep thousands of us up into it and carry us away in its dream, dreams that are full of hot air that leads to nothing. Like looking for wells without water, we reach out and grab what looks like it is nourishing, because deep down inside we thrist for that nourishment, because we are deprived. We hunger for true meaning. And then habitually look to nothing to fill that meaning.

When it becomes hard to believe in anything, it becomes easier to believe in nothing.

And I want to go into the " Represenitive of the Nothing."

Peace.

Although I am an agnostic, not an atheist, I wish to say that if a God probably exists, deism is the best choice by far.

If a God exists, how could you possibly know what his will is regarding homosexuality, same-sex marriage, the war in Afghanistan, physician assisted suicide, abortion, stem cell research, and the death penalty?

 

[mickiel]

Although I am an agnostic, not an atheist, I wish to say that if a God probably exists, deism is the best choice by far.

If a God exists, how could you possibly know what his will is regarding homosexuality, same-sex marriage, the war in Afghanistan, physician assisted suicide, abortion, stem cell research, and the death penalty?

I don't know what you think about those things, but that does not mean you don't exist, just because I don't know you.

Peace.

 

[Meow Mix]

I don't know what you think about those things, but that does not mean you don't exist, just because I don't know you.

Peace.

He wasn't making a statement on knowing whether or not God exists, he was posing the question of how people think they know what God wants with respect to those things if a god exists.

i.e., he's basically saying that even if there is a god, it's silly that all these people claim they know what that god wants.

 

[tomato1236]

I severely appreciate this.

 

[mickiel]

He wasn't making a statement on knowing whether or not God exists, he was posing the question of how people think they know what God wants with respect to those things if a god exists.

i.e., he's basically saying that even if there is a god, it's silly that all these people claim they know what that god wants.

Well I think its silly also, but yet still possible. God most defintely reveals things about himself in the bible, and I believe he can personally appeal to a humans Consciousness when he wants to. How often he does that and to whom, I just don't think its commonly possible to know, since so many are making those claims.

Hes out there somewhere, I see no other credible alternitives. There must be a God, because we are too complex to have came from nothing, I can't accept that. Not me, I see far too much design, for me not to believe in a designer.

Its just that simple./

Peace.

 

[Meow Mix]

Hes out there somewhere, I see no other credible alternitives. There must be a God, because we are too complex to have came from nothing, I can't accept that. Not me, I see far too much design, for me not to believe in a designer.

Its just that simple./

Peace.

You seem to say that:

1) There is complexity
2) Complexity is created

Therefore, God created complexity

However... if God creates this much complexity, doesn't that make God complex?

Using your same "reasoning," where did God's complexity come from?

 

[mickiel]

You seem to say that:

1) There is complexity
2) Complexity is created

Therefore, God created complexity

However... if God creates this much complexity, doesn't that make God complex?

Using your same "reasoning," where did God's complexity come from?

Well I don't know. I would like to know and understand that, but I just do not. Its like a Cat trying to understand a human, its just a great gulf fixed between us and animals, they do not think like us. I see this with the reality of God, humans just cannot understand that kind of existence, on those levels. The bible says that God has always existed, he has no birth. I can't understand that, I am finite, my Consciousness can see nothing not having a beginning, its beyond me.

But as I have said, I have seen and examined all the other alternitives and just do not accept them. There must be a God, where he came from, I don't know. What he is like, I don't know much about that. What kind of being he must be, I know little of that.

I just really don't know for sure.

Peace.

 

[Meow Mix]

Well I don't know. I would like to know and understand that, but I just do not. Its like a Cat trying to understand a human, its just a great gulf fixed between us and animals, they do not think like us. I see this with the reality of God, humans just cannot understand that kind of existence, on those levels. The bible says that God has always existed, he has no birth. I can't understand that, I am finite, my Consciousness can see nothing not having a beginning, its beyond me.

But as I have said, I have seen and examined all the other alternitives and just do not accept them. There must be a God, where he came from, I don't know. What he is like, I don't know much about that. What kind of being he must be, I know little of that.

I just really don't know for sure.

Peace.

So.................

When you see complexity you're like "AHA! That must be CREATED!"

but when you see complexity of hte creator you just say "I don't know?"

Why can't you just say "I don't know" about the universe itself, then? Why go the extra step and surmise that a god must exist if there is complexity, but NOT go the extra step and say "a god-creator must exist?" You're not being very consistent.

 

[mickiel]

So.................

When you see complexity you're like "AHA! That must be CREATED!"

but when you see complexity of hte creator you just say "I don't know?"

Why can't you just say "I don't know" about the universe itself, then? Why go the extra step and surmise that a god must exist if there is complexity, but NOT go the extra step and say "a god-creator must exist?" You're not being very consistent.

Because my mind believes in a God, I don't think like an Atheist. I am consistant in my view of thinking, just not yours. The Universe is a design in my view, that is proof of a designer. Plain and simple in my thinking, I cannot see it otherwise, I just cannot see it. My own Consciousness willnot insult itself by believing that it came from Nothing. I am, I exist, thus; I exist for a reason that goes beyond the belief that I am continous with the idiot hierarchies of speechless Apes. I am the result of pure intellectual creation from an intelligent and powerful creator.

I believe that, and see no other alternitive that is of reason.

Peace.

 

[Copernicus]

Because my mind believes in a God, I don't think like an Atheist. I am consistant in my view of thinking, just not yours. The Universe is a design in my view, that is proof of a designer. Plain and simple in my thinking, I cannot see it otherwise, I just cannot see it. My own Consciousness willnot insult itself by believing that it came from Nothing. I am, I exist, thus; I exist for a reason that goes beyond the belief that I am continous with the idiot hierarchies of speechless Apes. I am the result of pure intellectual creation from an intelligent and powerful creator.

I believe that, and see no other alternitive that is of reason.

And that, my friends, is a classic argument from incredulity. Lacking the ability to imagine an alternative explanation of the universe, mickiel falls back on his belief that there just had to be a complex creator, which he has no trouble imagining as a complex being that has just always existed. Physical reality itself couldn't just always have existed, because it is too complex. :areyoucra