Atheism: The Great Nothing!

[mickiel]

You have previously stated that the existence of a creator and the notion that a creator exist are "facts" that were "academic".

Are you now willing to retract those statements and admit it is just a belief?

Its Academic to me, but I understand it to also be a nelief, it then is both to me.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

It is a fact that God exist, just not factual to all who examine it. I keep going back to Consciousness, the greatest proof of Gods existence in my view. Human Consciousness, impossible to have evolved from nothing. Simply impossible. Your mind exist because of another mind that created it, don't you let yourself even believe that your Consciousness came from unconscious things. Evolution is an insult to Consciousness, literally a meaningless explination which expects, no demands that you accept your beginning as a mixture of self creating chemicals and matter, which were sublime in their beginning, less than prenatal, unimportant, but yet created you, resulted in you.

This is unacceptable in reason, but reason has been intercepted and disquised by theory.

We are not continious with the idiot explinations of science.

Peace.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

It is a fact that God exist, just not factual to all who examine it.

Translation-It really is a fact because I say so. Facts by popularity now? What is this, Fox News?

Human Consciousness, impossible to have evolved from nothing.

"Evolved from nothing." is a scientifically meaningless statement and has nothing at all to do with the Theory of Evolution.

If you wish to make statements in regards to scientific theories. I suggest you use more specific language.

 

[HonestJoe]

It's a fact that consciousness could develop without an existing consciousness to create it, just not factual to all who examine it.

 

[mickiel]

If you wish to make statements in regards to scientific theories. I suggest you use more specific language.

My language is sufficent, my understanding of what I write is sufficent, not complette, but growing.

Growing; that reminds me of the implications of evolution, as if humans were grown , like plants. Humans were created by another Power source that is greater than them. Evolutionist would give our origin to things nowhere near as great as us. We exist, because a greater Power than us exist. We speak language because the power that created us speaks a language, thats why its inherent within us, we are like our creator, who birthed us.

We have emotions, because the creator has emotions, evolution has no emotion, and has no language.

We have a Consciousness because our creator is a conscious being, evolution has no consciousness.

We have religion because we are reaching for our creator, evolution has no religion.

We have 5 senses because the creator has them, evolution has no senses.

We have sight with our eyes because our creator has sight, we inherited that from him, evolution has no sight.

You cannot replace our creator with evolution, he has creation power, evolution has never created anything.

Peace.

 

[Valjean]

It is a fact that God exist, just not factual to all who examine it. I keep going back to Consciousness, the greatest proof of Gods existence in my view. Human Consciousness, impossible to have evolved from nothing. Simply impossible.

Why?
Just because something's astonishing or incomprehensible doesn't make supernatural agency the only explanation. Most of our current, and completely explainable, technology would appear magical to our great grandparents.
We experience consciousness, we can define it, but we have little or no understanding of exactly what it is, how it comes to be or what's needed for its emergence.

Your mind exist because of another mind that created it, don't you let yourself even believe that your Consciousness came from unconscious things. Evolution is an insult to Consciousness, literally a meaningless explination which expects, no demands that you accept your beginning as a mixture of self creating chemicals and matter, which were sublime in their beginning, less than prenatal, unimportant, but yet created you, resulted in you.

I hate to bring it up, yet again, but where did the consciousness that created our consciousness come from?
Evolution is not an "explanation of consciousness." We don't understand consciousness. How can you say how it came about?
As has been pointed out a thousand times in every evolution thread in cyberspace, evolution is a series of changes, and its theories explanations of mechanisms, not explanations of origins.
As far as abiogenic theories, you seem quite confident about what's not possible, but what evidence do you have?

This is unacceptable in reason, but reason has been intercepted and disquised by theory.
We are not continious with the idiot explinations of science.

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Could you rephrase?

 

[Meow Mix]

I can't figure out how to ignore someone so I don't keep getting alerted that a thread has a new post when it really doesn't have anything significant added to it.

 

[mickiel]

I can't figure out how to ignore someone so I don't keep getting alerted that a thread has a new post when it really doesn't have anything significant added to it.

This is illusion and avasion, your reading it because your interested in it, but just willnot admit it.

Peace.

 

[Meow Mix]

Fixed

Although it still leaves little stubs that say "This user is on your Ignore List." That's annoying. Is there a way to turn that off?

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Fixed

Although it still leaves little stubs that say "This user is on your Ignore List." That's annoying. Is there a way to turn that off?

I don't believe so.

 

[Meow Mix]

I don't believe so.

Oh well.

 

[Looncall]

My language is sufficent, my understanding of what I write is sufficent, not complette, but growing.

Growing; that reminds me of the implications of evolution, as if humans were grown , like plants. Humans were created by another Power source that is greater than them. Evolutionist would give our origin to things nowhere near as great as us. We exist, because a greater Power than us exist. We speak language because the power that created us speaks a language, thats why its inherent within us, we are like our creator, who birthed us.

We have emotions, because the creator has emotions, evolution has no emotion, and has no language.

We have a Consciousness because our creator is a conscious being, evolution has no consciousness.

We have religion because we are reaching for our creator, evolution has no religion.

We have 5 senses because the creator has them, evolution has no senses.

We have sight with our eyes because our creator has sight, we inherited that from him, evolution has no sight.

You cannot replace our creator with evolution, he has creation power, evolution has never created anything.

Peace.

Mere superstition.

Evolution is a process, not a thing or a person.

Why, oh why, do religious people think in this foolish way? Sometimes I think that this kind of error (reification) lies at the heart of religion.

 

[Meow Mix]

Mere superstition.

Evolution is a process, not a thing or a person.

Why, oh why, do religious people think in this foolish way? Sometimes I think that this kind of error (reification) lies at the heart of religion.

I suspect it's why RF gave us "ignore" features when people don't listen to others' arguments and do nothing but spew absolute nonsense

 

[jarofthoughts]

My language is sufficent, my understanding of what I write is sufficent, not complette, but growing.

Sufficient? Hardly...

Growing; that reminds me of the implications of evolution, as if humans were grown , like plants.

I'm not even sure what this is meant to imply...

Humans were created by another Power source that is greater than them.

That is true. See below.

Evolutionist would give our origin to things nowhere near as great as us.

That is wrong. At least if you include the ultimate cosmological origin, and it seems that you creationists tend to do that even if it has nothing to do with evolution. I would say having been born in the climax of a supernova is pretty impressive, wouldn't you? That's right mate. You are made of stardust.

We exist, because a greater Power than us exist.

This is true. Just look up at any sunny day and you can see it quite clearly.

We speak language because the power that created us speaks a language, thats why its inherent within us, we are like our creator, who birthed us.

This is false. Language is an evolved property and while all social animals have some means of communication we have indeed taken it further than any other animal we know of, it is not exclusively a human trait.

We have emotions, because the creator has emotions, evolution has no emotion, and has no language.

This is also false. We have emotions due to electrochemical reactions in our brain that originally evolved to motivate certain behaviours.

We have a Consciousness because our creator is a conscious being, evolution has no consciousness.

Conciousness is, as far as we can tell, an emergent property of the processes that goes on in our brain. It is however true that Evolution has no conciousness. Why would it? What a strange thing to say. Oh, and the creator bit...care to provide some evidence for that?

We have religion because we are reaching for our creator, evolution has no religion.

We religion due to it being our first attempt at making sense of this world, with poor means I must add. Also, we are prone to adhering to false positives that surely enhanced the process. However, you got it in one that Evolution has no religion. You really do say the darnedest things though.

We have 5 senses because the creator has them, evolution has no senses.

Actually it's more like 18 sense, depending on what you consider a sense, but I wonder though, why you keep anthropomorphising Evolution. You do know that it is not a person, right?

We have sight with our eyes because our creator has sight, we inherited that from him, evolution has no sight.

Same nonsense. Answered above.

You cannot replace our creator with evolution, he has creation power, evolution has never created anything.

Evidence for a creator: None.
Evidence for Evolution: Holy crud that's a lot of evidence!!!

Questions?

Peace.[/QUOTE]

 

[mickiel]

I suspect it's why RF gave us "ignore" features when people don't listen to others' arguments and do nothing but spew absolute nonsense

Why are you reading the nonsense?

Peace.

 

[ninerbuff]

Without Atheism (almost all scientists are) there wouldn't have been many medical cures or technological advancements that we have today because previously this type of "witchcraft" and "magic" was deemed evil and exceeding power that should have only been wielded by god.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why are you reading the nonsense?

Peace.

The alternative is denying one a measure of attention and respect. That should be enough... at least for a while.

 

[mickiel]

The alternative is denying one a measure of attention and respect. That should be enough... at least for a while.

People read because of intrest, it may be a negative intrest, but its still intrest.

Peace.

 

[LuisDantas]

Your point?

 

[mickiel]

Your point?

Well my point is that certain people read others, then claim things like " Nobody is interested in what I am saying." Then they try to manipulate others not to read, as they themselves continue to read. Thats hypocrital in my view, I don't agree with them, they cannot handle me, so they give impression that my views are meaningless, all the while my post continue to grow and garner attention.

And thats what they don't like.

Peace.