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Atheist scientists 'spiritual but not religious'

Orias

Left Hand Path
Conscious choice and personal responsibility. Religion is not so much about what one believes to be true as about what one decides to be worth pursuing, nurturing and building.

But isn't this a personal belief in itself, an axiom?

The values and meanings of what One believes to be of worth, to nuture, and to build?


It is not about "finding God", it is not even about finding the "correct revelation" of God. It is about daring to make do without such events of what is ultimately simple luck (or lack of same). It is about taking a firm decision to be responsible and to seek wisdom.

I completely agree with this statement ;)

I really don't know to which extent I agree. Enough for this purpose, I assume.

Well the practical part is that debating semantics and metaphysics does nothing to furthur the objectional world, to an extent.

Munda omnia mecum porto!

I think the main reason for people discrediting "spirituality" is because maybe they think the partakers will spend too much time with it, instead of "what matters".
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
But isn't this a personal belief in itself, an axiom?

The values and meanings of what One believes to be of worth, to nuture, and to build?

Not really, because beliefs are supposed to be calibrated by their impact upon the world we live in. True axioms can only exist in a purely abstract world, and true religion can only exist in a completely concret world.

Still, the danger does exist that one will lock himself in sterile dogma. And a grave danger it is. But that is a danger, a trap to be faced along the way, not the way itself.



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I think the main reason for people discrediting "spirituality" is because maybe they think the partakers will spend too much time with it, instead of "what matters".

That probably is a main factor. In my personal experience, however, the two main ones are

1) a near-complete lack of true meaning to that word at this point. It basically means "religious, but I don't want to call it that so that it becomes more palatable in certain circles" as far as I can tell. And religious is a difficult enough word to define all by itself. Add to it that the motivations for avoiding the word are not necessarily honest or defensable and you will see why I don't use it.

2) on the top of it, spirituality is often a favored word of some people who have in my opinion lost it big time. They seem to mistrust organized religion and to have chosen instead to either believe everyone or believe and reinterpret only those authors that they can make appear to support their own preconceptions, with no real attempt at being coherent or responsible in that exercise of empty rethorics.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
But isn't religion the practice of set rituals? (communion, proscribed prayers, meditation, yoga, chants and so on)

Couldn't "spiritual but not religious" then mean that the given person has no specific ritualized "religious" behavior while still holding feelings of connection to the divine?

wa:do
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
But isn't religion the practice of set rituals? (communion, proscribed prayers, meditation, yoga, chants and so on)

That is yet another definition that many people use, yes.


Couldn't "spiritual but not religious" then mean that the given person has no specific ritualized "religious" behavior while still holding feelings of connection to the divine?

wa:do

No doubt it means exactly that in many cases. Trouble is, how can one tell, and does it even make a difference?
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I'm sure it makes a difference to the person using the term. :D

Lot's of terms are different across their usage. Heck, we can't get everyone to agree to the definition of the term "Christian". Does that invalidate the terms utility?


wa:do
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I'm sure it makes a difference to the person using the term. :D

So am I. But I maintain my question: is that enough? Can religious beliefs sustain themselves without refering back to the external world, to the sociological, economical, ecological reality of facts?

I don't think they truly can, but I'm willing to listen on alternate views.


Lot's of terms are different across their usage. Heck, we can't get everyone to agree to the definition of the term "Christian". Does that invalidate the terms utility?


wa:do

To a point it does, Paintedwolf. There is definitely a downside to the vagueness with which that word is used sometimes.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
So am I. But I maintain my question: is that enough? Can religious beliefs sustain themselves without refering back to the external world, to the sociological, economical, ecological reality of facts?

I don't think they truly can, but I'm willing to listen on alternate views.
I'm not sure any belief is exclusively internal.

To a point it does, Paintedwolf. There is definitely a downside to the vagueness with which that word is used sometimes.
Agreed.
But I think that calling oneself "spiritual but not religious" is at least a starting point for a deeper discussion of what that means for the individual.
Much like "Christian" "Agnostic" and "Pagan" are starting points for discussion between those groups.

wa:do
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I guess the expression has a clearer meaning for some people than it does for me, then.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
More than one in five atheists scientists are also spiritual
Well. thats not very reassuring.
scientists trying to find meaning in their science?
trying to find truth in their science?
thats all too cryptic and unrelated to the chemistry lab, or any other lab or fieldwork, where you actually test material properties. in order to find a reasonable thesis, certainly not a truth or a greater meaning.
 
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