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Atheists and their jargon of insults

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Eli G

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Define "species" before defining "speciation".

Tell me: why would be a Neanderthal a different species of the modern human? Just because? ;)
 
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Eli G

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Enai de a lukal said:
Yeah I mean its fan fiction about science, but not itself actual science or scientific. The point is that its fictional, whatever else it may be.
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It sounds more fictional that nature invents genetic laws as if it were a divine entity with its own consciousness. No law is dictated just because, by itself.
 
Enai de a lukal

Enai de a lukal

Well-Known Member
Eli G said:
Mmmh. I need to check a little on this. It's the first time I heard that definition of species.
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Its the standard definition of species, how are you this strongly opinionated on this topic if you're so unfamiliar with even the basic terminology? Shouldn't holding strong cavalier positions scale with familiarity with the subject-matter?
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Eli G said:
Define "species" before defining "speciation".

Tell me: why would be a Neanderthal a different species of the modern human? Just because? ;)
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A biological species is a group of organisms that can reproduce with one another in nature and produce fertile offspring. Species are characterized by the fact that they are reproductively isolated from other groups, which means that the organisms in one species are incapable of reproducing with organisms in another species. The term species can also be defined as the most basic category in the system of taxonomy. Taxonomy is a scientific system that classifies organisms into categories based on their biological characteristics. Species can also be defined based on a shared evolutionary history and ancestry. This method of defining species is called phylogenetics, which is the study of the evolutionary relationships among organisms. The evolutionary process by which a new species comes into being is called speciation.​
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species

A biological species is a group of organisms that can reproduce with one another in nature and produce fertile offspring
www.nature.com
 
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Eli G

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Enai de a lukal said:
I did, twice. Species are defined as the group that can produce fertile offspring. Speciation is the formation of species.
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Ok, I understood better now. Yes, I can agree with that.

If Neandertal and modern human can have fertile offspring, are they a same species?

PS: I read "infertile" instead of what you wrote. My bad.
 
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Eli G

Well-Known Member
Enai de a lukal said:
Its the standard definition of species, how are you this strongly opinionated on this topic if you're so unfamiliar with even the basic terminology? Shouldn't holding strong cavalier positions scale with familiarity with the subject-matter?
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Personal disqualifications are becoming more and more common in your posts.
Can you back off and maintain respect like before?
Thank you.
 
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Eli G

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Enai de a lukal said:
I asked you an honest question, your person was not attacked. Do you not think a more, say, tentative approach is warranted?
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I don't need to be an expert on any matter if I know the basic and can reason by myself.

There are many people who are so immersed in a topic that they lose common sense. I prefer to know a little about each thing, and be able to have a general idea of everything, instead of such extensive knowledge of a single thing and failing to understand reality from a broader point of view. Others do not have to agree with this approach of mine.

Actually, there is certain called "knowledge" that is not that at all.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Eli G said:
Personal disqualifications are becoming more and more common in your posts.
Can you back off and maintain respect like before?
Thank you.
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If you want respect you have to respect others.

By the way, there is nothing wrong with asking for evidence, but you also need to be able to support anything that you say with evidence.
 
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Eli G

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Some crazy evolutionist would love to claim that sterile humans are interspecies hybrids that did not reach the result of their previous fertile species... Maybe if mosquitoes, flies and ants are so abundant in "species", even humans will be considered many different species just as we are right now.

Who knows how far the false wisdom of these people goes in the incoming future. They can be very aggressive, so beware. :cool:
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Eli G said:
Ok, I understood better now. Yes, I can agree with that.

If Neandertal and modern human can have fertile offspring, are they a same species?

PS: I read "infertile" instead of what you wrote. My bad.
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Okay, the problem is that there is no hard line when it comes to species.

Homo sapiens and Neanderthals are different enough so that only Neanderthal males can breed with human females. There is no evidence of breeding going the other way. This is the sort of observations that we see when two species are on the border of speciation. Speciation is a gradual process. We do not wake up and say "Oh! A cannot breed with B any longer". Many argue that Neanderthals are still the same species as a result that we were not fully separated from them when they went extinct and others say that we were "close enough".
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Eli G said:
Some crazy evolutionist would love to claim that sterile humans are interspecies hybrids that did not reach the result of their previous fertile species... Maybe if mosquitoes, flies and ants are so abundant in "species", even humans will be considered many different species just as we are right now.

Who knows how far the false wisdom of these people goes in the incoming future. They can be very aggressive, so beware. :cool:
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Nope. only a creationist would be that foolish and ignorant.
 
Laniakea

Laniakea

Not of this world
Subduction Zone said:
If you want respect you have to respect others.

By the way, there is nothing wrong with asking for evidence, but you also need to be able to support anything that you say with evidence.
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If you were polite we would never have these problems. I have not been the rude one here. And making false claims about others, even if they are politicians, is more than a bit on the rude side.
 
Laniakea

Laniakea

Not of this world
Subduction Zone said:
Here is the deal, in the sciences one has to show evidence for your beliefs. Otherwise they are of no value. You can believe that a God done did it, but if you claim that there was a god behind it you have to demonstrate the evidence for it. Please note, scientists do not say that the Big Bang theory refutes god. It is creationists that tend to do that.
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Others seem to think that I have. Only you seem to disagree. I hate repeating myself to people that have shown that they cannot be honest so when I know that I have done something all that I require is an admission that you did not understand a post made to you earlier. It does no good to repeat the whole post and that was why I offered to do the extra work of baby stepping it for you.
 
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