I'm ignoring you now. In fact, I don't even know why I am able to respond to you at all. It's perplexing.
Perhaps I will make some passive aggressive comments now or run away.
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Atheists believe in miracles more than believers
- Thread starter Eli G
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Perhaps I will make some passive aggressive comments now or run away.
I see your point, but I don't think it was a science vs. religion thread to begin with. The claims about science that were the basis of the thread were largely erroneous and more fitting of straw man versions that have long been the routine of science deniers. It seems to me to be largely contrived to poke fun at anyone accepting science coming from those unfamiliar with science. Then turned into a more jovial discussion of actual science and discussions of closed and open systems and physics. I've learned a few things and enjoyed it. No joke.
I figured with the smilies in the OP and throughout the ongoing replies it was meant as a joke (should have checked where I was I guess). No disrespect to you meant.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Entropy and the second law of thermodynamics.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Yes we understand entropy and thermodynamics, we just don't believe in miracles and with lots of possibilities for what came before the big bang if anything we accept that we don't know and it doesn't even really matter.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'd say your correct.
We won't live long enough as humans anyways.
Everything we ever learn and know will eventually be lost and destroyed.
We Never Know
No Slack
"with lots of possibilities for what came before the big bang"
Oh geez. Now ya done it.
Next to follow..
There is no before
There is no pre
There is no north of north
Etc etc.
Tomef
Well-Known Member
You don’t understand even your own words - why should anyone take you seriously? To make any of your threads worthwhile, you’d first need to get a basic education. Then you might have something to say that has some relevance to the subjects you start threads about.It seems contradictory, but if you see it from this perspective you will understand:
A believer considers miracles to be the result of a display of knowledge and power on the part of a conscious person.
An atheist believes that things that exist came out of nothing in a miraculous way, obeying some natural laws that emerged out of nowhere, by themselves.
So who is the one who believes in miracles?
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Those are some of them in simple terms and there are quite a few more, the problem is mostly that there is no way to test any of them at present and may never be so, we accept "we don't know" and keep looking.
It is the honest answer and better than making up more stories based on ancient stories.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's rather quite fun to ponder how big is the biggest stuff out there, especially as it seems this universe may not be the totality of everything that exists.
And on the flip side what is the smallest thing in all of existence? Growing up it was the protons, neutrons and electrons of an atom, and that had been proven wrong at least a few times over since.
Whatever it is, i often wonder if the universe is like a cell of multicellular organism.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Way more amazing than dogmatic repetition of old stories that literally don't even make sense.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Literally don't make sense? I find many of those old stories quite fascinating for many reasons. Like the Old Testament. Humans arguing with and challenging their god often make for interesting stories. And when we get into details we can learn things like how Joseph was rather effeminate and did some crossdressing as his cloak of many colors is the same style of cloak David got for his daughter, a cloak commonly worn by young, virgin women.
Unfettered
A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
It requires just as much belief to embrace the dogma of cosmology as it does to embrace the dogma of a creator, generally speaking. Speaking from within the two frameworks, not from without. I don't understand the passion with which these are made to be in opposition to one another. I really don't.
But I'd love to hear the latest theories that cosmology throws at the question of origins and catalyzing mechanisms.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
An interesting non-literal take.
Professora Amdre Linde and Vitaly Vanchurin calculated the number of all possible universes, to be about 10^10^16 that humans would recognise as universes and around twice that many that we would not recognise.
That's big numbers but infinity is a big place ;-)
Cosmology is based on evidence, observation and extrapolation from those facts. God dun it not so much.
Take a look at...
[0910.1589] How many universes are in the multiverse?
And
[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing
Ajax
Active Member
And how are you certain of what you wrote? Intuition?
I'm not saying I don't believe in them, but what constitutes a miracle and how does a person know if some event is or isn't a miracle? Many of the believers that I encounter here seem to know without being able to explain how they know. It is as much as my questions about how they know about demons and possession. They can't answer the questions so they do what I have come to find is the normal literalist reaction. Attack the questioner and follow them around making snide comments trying to dissect the questioners beliefs to nullify them and stop them from asking other questions they can't answer.