"Atheists Do It Better" and have more fun

[Skwim]

"A new study shows that religious people have as much sex as atheists, but with less sexual satisfaction and more guilt.

Do atheists have better sex? Yes. According to science, that is -- and more specifically, according to the recently released "Sex and Secularism" study.


In January 2011, organizational psychologist Darrel Ray, Ed.D. . . . and Amanda Brown undergraduate . . . conducted a sex survey of over 14,500 people -- atheists, agnostics, and other people in the secular community. The survey was looking at religion, atheism, and sex: how religion affects sex, how leaving religion affects sex, whether lifelong atheists feel differently about sex than people who have recently deconverted, and so on.

[Their findings:] Leaving religion improves people's sex lives.

A lot.

Atheists and other non-believers, as a whole, experience a lot more satisfaction in their sex lives than they did when they were believers. They feel much less guilt about their sex lives and their sexuality. The sexual guilt instilled by so many religions tends to fade, and indeed disappear, when people leave religion -- much more thoroughly than you might expect. And according to the respondents of this study, non-believers give significantly better sex education to their kids than believers do."

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Makes one consider switching from agnosticism to atheism. Hmmm.

 

[linwood]

Entertaining but pretty obvious results.

Anyone who doesn`t follow a worldview with an ingrained guilt trip about all things sexual is going to have better sex.

 

[Badran]

I'm struggling to understand a couple of things here. Why are they comparing between Atheism and being religious? You can be both. Atheism doesn't mean lack of religion.

Also, how do they know that 'atheists' (i still don't accept the comparison of course) enjoy it better?

Finally, who said that religious people feel guilt about sex in general, or at all?

 

[Revoltingest]

Great...just great...now everyone will wanna become one of us.
Whom will we then mock?

 

[linwood]

I'm struggling to understand a couple of things here. Why are they comparing between Atheism and being religious? You can be both. Atheism doesn't mean lack of religion.

The vast majority of atheists in western culture are non-religious.

Also, how do they know that 'atheists' (i still don't accept the comparison of course) enjoy it better?

Because they have no dogma induced guilt or limitations on the expression of their sexuality.

Finally, who said that religious people feel guilt about sex in general, or at all?

Religious people.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Great...just great...now everyone will wanna become one of us.
Whom will we then mock?

Scots?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

This is one of those studies that can be filed under DUHHHHH.

 

[Revoltingest]

Scots?

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[Badran]

The vast majority of atheists in western culture are non-religious.

I know that, however still 'atheist' is not the label for non-religious or the meaning of it. And not all atheists are non-religious. Seems pretty inaccurate to me.

Because they have no dogma induced guilt or limitations on the expression of their sexuality.

I didn't ask for the supposed reasoning behind the assumption or opinion, i asked how do they know. I mean in what way did they measure this.

Religious people.

Really? All of them? and guilty about sex in general, not just sex in certain frames?

Sounds more like a certain type of religious people.

 

[linwood]

I know that, however still 'atheist' is not the label for non-religious or the meaning of it. And not all atheists are non-religious. Seems pretty inaccurate to me.

Semantics.

I didn't ask for the supposed reasoning behind the assumption or opinion, i asked how do they know. I mean in what way did they measure this.

I don`t know Google it.
It doesn`t interest me since I`m already aware of this truth.

Really? All of them? and guilty about sex in general, not just sex in certain frames?

All that I`ve met but I admit that would mostly be practicing western Christians.
They ALL have many dogmatically inspired sexual hang-ups.

Edit:
You can download the report here if you register.
http://www.ipcpress.com/

 

[Badran]

Semantics.

Its not a small difference if thats what you mean. If you consider why would such an error take place. And if you consider all the other types of people not included in the supposed 'more pleasure' team due to this inaccuracy.

Also, what are we going to consider Atheists who do follow a religion?

I don`t know Google it.
It doesn`t interest me since I`m already aware of this truth.

I see.

All that I`ve met but I admit that would mostly be practicing western Christians.
They ALL have many dogmatically inspired sexual hang-ups.

Well i think that might be worth considering since you've already accepted that conclusion about 'atheists' having more pleasure don't you think?

I mean you are judging all the wide different types of religious people only based on your experience with a certain type of Christians.

Edit:
You can download the report here if you register.
IPC Press

Thanks.

 

[linwood]

Ok, a quick glance at the report shows that the survey subjects (14,500) were all non-religious (Not necessarily atheist) people who had de-converted from a numerous different sects of Christianity in favor of a secular lifestyle.

Key findings:
1. Sex improves dramatically after leaving religion.
2. Sexual guilt has little staying power after leaving religion.
3. Those raised most religious show no difference from those raised least religious in their sexual
behavior.
4. Those raised most religious experience far more guilt but have just as much sex.
5. Religious parents are far worse at educating their children on matters of sex.
6. Religious guilt differs in measurable amounts according to denomination.

This is really no surprise to anyone familiar with western Christianity.

 

[Badran]

So at best, if true, its "Certain Christians vs certain ex Christians".

 

[linwood]

So at best, if true, its "Certain Christians vs certain ex Christians".

No just ex Christians, actually upon further reading the abstract it does include many other religions.
They just weren't mentioned in the first few paragraphs so I missed them.

You aren`t attempting to state that there are no sexual prohibitions or inhibitions within other faiths are you?

The graph in the .pdf has Jehova's Witnesses as the most guilt ridden.

Most eastern religions had little change between religiosity and secularism.

Check out the link.

 

[Vendetta]

To answer Badrans question the subjects or the study rather is probably self report and are probably using a Likard scale to judge sexual satisfcation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Another "so-what" study. And I'm very sure if we were to look deeper, it would depend on what religions have less sexual satisfaction and more guilt.

To answer Badrans question the subjects or the study rather is probably self report and are probably using a Likard scale to judge sexual satisfcation.

Most likely that is what happened. Which means some people probably felt they should answer having less satisfaction and more guilt because they felt that is how they were supposed to answer it.

 

[Badran]

No just ex Christians, actually upon further reading the abstract it does include many other religions.
They just weren't mentioned in the first few paragraphs so I missed them.

You aren`t attempting to state that there are no sexual prohibitions or inhibitions within other faiths are you?

The graph in the .pdf has Jehova's Witnesses as the most guilt ridden.

Most eastern religions had little change between religiosity and secularism.

Check out the link.

I read the link and saw the graph, they do cover more religions than just Christianity. Problem is thats not how it was put in the beginning.

The misrepresentation about 'atheists having more pleasure' is just in the blog, not the research itself.

As for the findings, i still don't see how this covers sex in general, or religious people in general. Obviously a lot of religious people put taboos on certain things, however, when having sex with your wife for example, that would be okay with the clear majority of religious people, so there is no guilt here. So how are the less religious or secular enjoying sex more?

Also, this is depending on the word of the people who are now not religious although they were raised religious. Not the words of both religious and non-religious people. Or religious people and non-religious people who were raised religious. In other words, they're basing their entire findings on the words of people who many if not most of them have a serious problem with religion.

Basically, i just don't see how this research supposedly cover religious people in general, or how does those people 'enjoy' sex more.

If they are saying, that religious people who did not receive a proper education on sex by their parents, and were raised based on many taboos etc.. tend to be more free and enjoy a more 'wide' sex life i guess when they leave their religion, then sure, i agree.

Any more conclusions seems like just an attempt to show supposed problems with religions rather than people in my opinion.

 

[Badran]

To answer Badrans question the subjects or the study rather is probably self report and are probably using a Likard scale to judge sexual satisfcation.

Not sure what self report and Likard scale is, but basically as i understand its based on the word of those people asked.

 

[THINKER]

funny

 

[Vendetta]

Well self report in psychology refers to participant subjects "reporting" their opinions versus testing their opinions. Make a little sense? A likert (not likard) scale is a psychometric scale that is basically used in questionnaires (e.g. From 1 to 5, 5 being the most how much do you like cheese?) Self report is more based on subject opinion than an actual objective study.

This research study means squat to what actually is real. Some of the best sexual experiences came from religious women (Muslim, Jewish, etc) and the worse was a chick that claimed to be buddhist and claimed "God is dead."

Not saying my own experiences refute the study but the study is not representative of truth.