Atheists: Does Energy fall under Magical Thinking?

[Rainbow Mage]

You can't see most energy and you have no reason to believe it exists except that sciencists tell you it's there. Your logic that because you can't see or observe something it doesn't exist is a major fail.

 

[Smoke]

Where did you get the idea that atheists think nothing we can't observe exists?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

You can't see most energy and you have no reason to believe it exists except that sciencists tell you it's there.

Your logic that because you can't see or observe something it doesn't exist is a major fail.

Who said that if we can't observe something, it must not exist?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Smoke because Atheists have said they don't accept god because they can't see or observe god in the physical world.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

9-10'ths not all energy is observable with the physical eyes like lightning is. Energy is proof of the unseen world.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

9-10'ths not all energy is observable with the physical eyes like lightning is. Energy is proof of the unseen world.

Is "the unseen world" where you read whatever post of mine you're responding to?

Some energy may be visible, but all of it (or all of it that we accept as definitely real) is measurable in some way.

And I don't accept the existence of energy because scientists tell me it's there. I accept the existence of energy because it's a verifiable, measurable thing. Didn't you do experiments in school about things like energy conservation and conversion?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

9-10'ths not all energy is observable with the physical eyes like lightning is. Energy is proof of the unseen world.

If you're trying to use energy to prove that there are some things we can't directly observe, I don't think anyone will argue the point.

If you're trying to use energy to prove things like, ghosts, goblins, and gods; the logic doesn't follow.

I actually don't know of anyone who objects to the existence of a god-being solely because it can't be seen. There are usually other reasons beyond that.

 

[Smoke]

Smoke because Atheists have said they don't accept god because they can't see or observe god in the physical world.

We can have evidence for things we can't observe. Black holes, for instance.
The problem with god isn't that we can't observe it, the problem is that there's no evidence for it.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

If you're trying to use energy to prove that there are some things we can't directly observe, I don't think anyone will argue the point.

If you're trying to use energy to prove things like, ghosts, goblins, and gods; the logic doesn't follow.

I actually don't know of anyone who objects to the existence of a god-being solely because it can't be seen. There are usually other reasons beyond that.

How do you know god and energy aren't the same thing?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

How do you know god and energy aren't the same thing?

Interesting....

Would we then measure god in joules or calories?

 

[Smoke]

How do you know god and energy aren't the same thing?

If god and energy were the same thing, wouldn't that make the whole concept of god superfluous?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

How do you know god and energy aren't the same thing?

To offer a more serious answer: I don't. However, I have no reason to believe that they are the same. I have never seen anything to support that conclusion.

In short, no evidence.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

If god and energy were the same thing, wouldn't that make the whole concept of god superfluous?

Well what if you took a Monist/non dual approach to God like I do? That God capitol G is the life force/energy in everything. While ourselves and even the gods are just manifestations of that life force, albiet the gods are a much higher manifestation then we are.

 

[Smoke]

Well what if you took a Monist/non dual approach to God like I do? That God capitol G is the life force/energy in everything.

Well then you can't really say God is energy. "Life force" isn't a scientific concept, and doesn't correspond to energy. When religious teachers talk about "energy" in this sense, they're using the word in a metaphorical sense at best.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well what if you took a Monist/non dual approach to God like I do? That God capitol G is the life force/energy in everything. While ourselves and even the gods are just manifestations of that life force, albiet the gods are a much higher manifestation then we are.

What definition of "life" applies to every single thing?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

So are you guys denying that Quantam Physics talks about a unifying field behind all life?

 

[Smoke]

So are you guys denying that Quantam Physics talks about a unifying field behind all life?

I'm not the person to talk about quantum physics, but as far as I know, unified field theory has nothing to do with "life force" or God.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So are you guys denying that Quantam Physics talks about a unifying field behind all life?

Yes.

Quantum physics talks about the properties of matter and energy. It has nothing to do with life except for the fact that living things are made of matter and have energy. It doesn't logically follow that all things with matter or energy have life.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

I'm not the person to talk about quantum physics, but as far as I know, unified field theory has nothing to do with "life force" or God.

It doesn't. Unified Field Theory has to do with finding the equations that would allow us to explain all of the fundamental forces (Electromagnetism, The Strong Force, The Weak Force, and Gravity) within a single framework. Thus far, we haven't found it.

 

[Smoke]

It doesn't. Unified Field Theory has to do with finding the equations that would allow us to explain all of the fundamental forces (Electromagnetism, The Strong Force, The Weak Force, and Gravity) within a single framework. Thus far, we haven't found it.

That's what I thought.