Atheists: Question

[ninerbuff]

Probably.
I like to try new foods and even old foods in new restaurants.

However, with my Crohn's Disease i have to be really careful of what I eat and when.

Sorry about that. I'm sure, if science is left alone to research, they'll find a cure.

 

[Quiddity]

I'm not so sure of that.

Science can point to truth, even if it can't prove it with complete certainty.

However, science is ideal for disproving things.

So sure of what? Proof is an exercise of logic and something to know when you want to get drunk.

Science can point to truth? You are normally pretty good about stuff like this Penguin. What science does is simply describe and taking if further then that is as religious as god of the gaps.

 

[Ubjon]

So sure of what? Proof is an exercise of logic and something to know when you want to get drunk.

Science can point to truth? You are normally pretty good about stuff like this Penguin. What science does is simply describe and taking if further then that is as religious as god of the gaps.

Science doesn't just describe because on its that is a largely pointless exercise. Generally speaking what science does is develop theories with predictions which are then tested against observations to see if that theory can account for the observations or if it needs to be adjusted or discarded completely.

 

[Ubjon]

-Double post-

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So sure of what? Proof is an exercise of logic and something to know when you want to get drunk.

Science can point to truth? You are normally pretty good about stuff like this Penguin. What science does is simply describe and taking if further then that is as religious as god of the gaps.

Science can test ideas (the testable ones, anyhow) for consistency. Consistency is necessary for something to be true, although it isn't sufficient to determine that something is true.

Science separates the demonstrably inconsistent (i.e. false) ideas from everything else, and identifies the ideas that are demonstrably consistent. IMO, this is the best tool we have for coming up with ideas that are as true and reliable as possible.

What they say about democracy is probably equally applicable to science as a tool for finding the truth: it's the worst possible option... except for all the other ones.

 

[bobhikes]

I know I have heard it time and again and I agree, personal experiences are not proof of god to anyone else. I know that and agree. My question is, why do Atheists think personal experiences are invalid proof to the one who experiences them? Just because personal experience doesn't constitute proof for everyone it should be rejected altogether?

It depends on the atheist. I agree with you its only the experiences of the individual that can prove or disprove god. If a person believes that they have spoken to God than they will of course be a believer. I can not verify what they said so I do not have to believe but I should respect their belief.

 

[Quiddity]

Science can test ideas (the testable ones, anyhow) for consistency. Consistency is necessary for something to be true, although it isn't sufficient to determine that something is true.

Science separates the demonstrably inconsistent (i.e. false) ideas from everything else, and identifies the ideas that are demonstrably consistent. IMO, this is the best tool we have for coming up with ideas that are as true and reliable as possible.

What they say about democracy is probably equally applicable to science as a tool for finding the truth: it's the worst possible option... except for all the other ones.

It's the best tool we have, no doubt. But it's still leaving out quite a bit. Much of which affects our everyday lives.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's the best tool we have, no doubt. But it's still leaving out quite a bit. Much of which affects our everyday lives.

Like what?

Keep in mind that when I say "science", I'm talking about more than just experiments in labs with bunsen burners and test tubes. I'm including anything where a person draws rational inferences from the testing of hypotheses.

 

[Quiddity]

Like what?

Keep in mind that when I say "science", I'm talking about more than just experiments in labs with bunsen burners and test tubes. I'm including anything where a person draws rational inferences from the testing of hypotheses.

And this is science? You are still talking about the logical realm here; not the emperical one. Is it connected? Perhaps, but this is still highly debatable.