muhammad_isa
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Even if that were true, you could debate the issues in question instead of just repeating "fallacy fallacy fallacy".
It really isn't much of a debate, you know.
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Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?
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It really isn't much of a debate, you know.
Sheldon
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Good one...Basing your arguments on a fallacy is a salient point in debate, again the fact you think otherwise speaks volumes. You're asking me to debate but ignore it when your arguments are irrational. How about we presuppose no deity exists, and you don't make any claims you can't demonstrate any objective evidence for, of course you'd be ok with that right?
Then up your game.
Trailblazer
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And let's not forget those definitions....
Trailblazer
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It is not a debate at all, it is s smokescreen used to avoid discussing the real issues at hand.
Trailblazer
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But it is not true. Anyone can accuse someone of a fallacy, but actually showing how it was committed is another matter.
This is a typical atheist ploy, don't fall for it.
Sheldon
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Sheldon
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You think logic is an atheist conspiracy? Priceless....and you have used known logical fallacies relentlessly, you have even decried logic as irrelevant to belief, though it's pretty obvious you don't understand the implications of the claim.
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Sheldon
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You don't seem to have had any problem ignoring definitions thus far. You are the one who doesn't seem to know what a synonym is, asserting a belief is never a claim according to you, and two different words can't mean the same thing or be very similar.And let's not forget those definitions....
Also this ad hominem tag team is pretty funny, given you believe in totally different things.
rational experiences
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In natural we are all just humans. Is the human advice get over yourself.
All the manipulating lying of non natural human chosen lies.
Rich being one of them.
Earth supplied every condition to live.
Ego of man took to placating self was a hierarchy of a self idol man. The inventor.
Creation theisms ensued.
He in fact wants to be the creator source that created all things as just a human.
So he coerced. He bullies. He threatens he used group status.
Family first.
He says within my owned body is the very beginnings of all things. If I understand biology then I will own the creator being.
All about man's ego total science self possession.
Once a man looked at the earth as a product of his invention.
Now that man thinks he is the product.
The human only life sacrificed warning. Man's egotism our destroyer.
All the manipulating lying of non natural human chosen lies.
Rich being one of them.
Earth supplied every condition to live.
Ego of man took to placating self was a hierarchy of a self idol man. The inventor.
Creation theisms ensued.
He in fact wants to be the creator source that created all things as just a human.
So he coerced. He bullies. He threatens he used group status.
Family first.
He says within my owned body is the very beginnings of all things. If I understand biology then I will own the creator being.
All about man's ego total science self possession.
Once a man looked at the earth as a product of his invention.
Now that man thinks he is the product.
The human only life sacrificed warning. Man's egotism our destroyer.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, I have not used any but atheists are using those fallacies relentlessly.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I never said a belief is never a claim, I said a belief is not always a claim. A belief is only a claim if someone asserts that their belief is true, it is not a claim just because someone believes their belief is true.
Trailblazer
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I never said that two words can't mean something similar but two words usually do not mean exactly the same thing.
A belief is not an assumption, those mean different things.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
But the Baha'i prophet does have evidence. In his writing he clearly states that God sent him. And... because God sent him it makes him a manifestation of God and, therefore, infallible in what he says and writes. And... in those writings he clearly says there is a God. I've got more to say, but I'm a bit dizzy from going around in circles.
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
a) Betty and Brenda are sisters.
b) Betty and Brenda live in rented apartments.
c) Therefore all sisters live in rented apartments.
Premise 1: Tb says that c) is true.
Premise 2: To say that c) is true is illogical.
Conclusion: Tb is illogical.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
She said: "The Bible is not proof that there is a deity, but it is evidence if one believes it is divinely inspired."
What do you think that she means by this?
I think that it is clear that she refers to the fact that some people deny that the Bible contains true narratives inspired by G-d, whilst others accept it.
She is NOT saying:
1. The Bible is divinely inspired by G-d
2. therefore the Bible is evidence of G-d
..that is a distortion of what she is saying.
You merely are distracting the attention away from the main issue..
i.e. What do we know about the narratives in the Bible, from an historical point of view
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
You have missed the point. I'll wait for Tb to respond to what I actually said.
Then bring better material.
Are you seriously saying that your logical fallacies deserve more in-depth discussion?
If you don't want quick, terse replies, then stop ignoring and brushing over the in-depth, well-thought-out ones.
Or better yet: stop posting the irrational nonsense you're consistently called out for.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Plus, just because a person in the Bible is mentioned in the Baha'i writings still doesn't mean what is said about them in the Bible is accurate. Which makes it perfect for the Baha'i Faith to say whatever they want about the Bible and characters in the Bible.Ummm...question
Since the Bible mention those people they may or may not be real, but when Baha'i'ullah mention them, they suddenly become real
Adam is a good example. Here is a quote from an article by a Baha'i...
Adam is a Manifestation of God, the very One Who began the entire Adamic cycle, a progressive series of revelations from God to humanity...
In that same article it says...
In Islam... Adam is seen as a Prophet of God...
I don't see anything about Adam being a prophet or a manifestation in Judaism. And it's worse in Christianity. He is the reason, they say, that sin and death entered the world. So, is it true that Adam is considered a prophet in Islam?
But then the Baha'is turn him into a manifestation? Part of the definition of a manifestation is... "The Manifestations of God are appearances of the Divine Spirit or Holy Spirit in a series of personages, and as such, they perfectly reflect the attributes of the divine..." I've questioned Baha'is several times on how could Adam, Noah, Abraham and even Moses be considered to be "perfectly" reflecting God? But maybe the least "perfect" would be Adam... one test to be obedient to God and he failed.
If only taking what is said about Adam in the Bible and in the NT, he is not a prophet or a manifestation. So, if Islam believes him to be a prophet, what are the Islamic stories about Adam that support that? And where do those stories come from?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
To be very honest, personally I have not read enough about Adam i scriptures from Sufism or mainstream Islam to be able to give you a good clear answer.
That means, I have more study in front of me.
And it is good you challenge me to go deeper within in scriptures i know to little about.