Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Kfox]

Look at when this letter was written, and here we are in the United States where most people have never even heard of the Baha'i Faith. This is the information age so I don't understand why.

Because most people don't care to learn about another of the countless religions out there. Now a voice from the sky.....

The Writings of Baha'u'llah.

Why is his writings more credible than mine?

 

[Trailblazer]

Because most people don't care to learn about another of the countless religions out there. Now a voice from the sky.....

That might be true but that was not my point. My point is that nobody has told them about the Baha'i Faith.

Now, a voice from the sky.... everyone would think it was an alien from outer space, and that is exactly what it would be because God does not speak from the sky, God only speaks through Messengers.

Why is his writings more credible than mine?

Because He sacrificed all he had and completed a 40 year mission for God. What have you done for God?

 

[Kfox]

That might be true but that was not my point. My point is that nobody has told them about the Baha'i Faith.

That's why God speaking from the clouds is a better idea

Now, a voice from the sky.... everyone would think it was an alien from outer space, and that is exactly what it would be because God does not speak from the sky, God only speaks through Messengers.

What do you think an alien is? Something not from Earth. Is God from planet earth? If not, then by definition God is an alien from outer space.

Because He sacrificed all he had and completed a 40 year mission for God. What have you done for God?

Heavens Gate sacrificed all that they had; even their lives! Just because you make great sacrifice does not mean you speak the truth.

 

[muhammad_isa]

What do you think an alien is? Something not from Earth. Is God from planet earth? If not, then by definition God is an alien from outer space.

No. An alien implies a "person" with a body and individual mind.

That is not the correct way to understand the concept of G-d.
Each and every one of us has a part of G-d in us. He is infinite. He is Absolute. He is neither male or female. He is not of a race. He is G-d, and is incomparable to any known physical being

 

[Revoltingest]

Evidence of God....
Riding a jewel bedecked golden chariot pulled by 12 invisible
pink unicorns, his gigantic form descends from the sky, his mighty
arms hurling fell lightning bolts at the unrepentant unbelievers, who
disintegrate into wisps of smoke & dust.

I don't like it.
It could even be aliens inspired by Arthur C Clarke's speculation
about advanced tech & appearing godlike to the primitive masses.
But it would be evidence.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's why God speaking from the clouds is a better idea.

And just how would God speak to all 7.8 billion people in the world from the sky?
Would God circumnavigate the globe until the whole earth was covered?

Baha'u'llah wrote 15,000 tablets over the course of 40 years.....
Would God drop all the teachings and Laws that the Messenger reveals down from the sky and hope that all of the 7.8 billion people in the world will catch a copy of all these tablets? How would anyone know that God dropped them?

Of course if all you care about is knowing that God exists the booming voice might work to accomplish that, God willing, but what is the point of knowing God exists unless you know something about God and what God wants for humans?

What do you think an alien is? Something not from Earth. Is God from planet earth? If not, then by definition God is an alien from outer space.

Logically speaking, just because God is not something on Earth that does not mean that God is an alien from outer space.

Heavens Gate sacrificed all that they had; even their lives! Just because you make great sacrifice does not mean you speak the truth.

Of course one thing does not mean someone was a Messenger of God. There would be many criteria that would have to be met. I don't know if I already posted this to you:

Please bear in mind that the following criteria are my criteria which is based upon who I believe were Messengers of God, who met all these criteria. My criteria narrow the playing field and it will eliminate most claimants, since they will fail to meet all the criteria.

The minimum criteria would be:

1. He had good character as exemplified by his qualities such as love, mercy, kindness, truth, justice, benevolence, gracious, merciful, righteous, forgiving, patient.

2. He believed he had been given a mission by God and did everything he could to see that it was carried out. He was completely successful before his death, and he accomplished everything that he set out to do.

3. He wrote much about God and God's purpose for humans both individually and collectively, or scriptures were written by others who spoke for him. He firmly believed that the work he was doing was for the Cause of God.

4. He had many followers while he was alive, and there are still millions who follow his teachings and gather in groups based on the religion he founded.

5. His followers have grown more numerous in recent times.

This is a starting point but there are other questions we would want to ask ourselves before we would be able to believe that a man was a true Messenger of God because that is a bold claim so there should be a lot of evidence to support such a claim.

Other criteria he would have to meet is that his religion could not contradict or be in opposition to any of the world religions that are already established and he could not talk down any of those religions and say his religion is the only true religion from God.

 

[Sheldon]

KWED said: ↑
There is absolutely nothing in that video that substantiates any of his claims to be a messenger of a god, or that any such god exists. It is merely the story of a person's life.

I never said there was any proof that Baha'u'llah was a Messenger of God. Such a claim cannot be proven as a fact. All we have is the evidence that indicates that He was who He claimed to be, and by looking at that evidence we can all decide whether to believe or disbelieve the claims.

Straw man fallacy...

 

[samtonga43]

However, I did not say it was always their fault. One cannot reject something they don't know about.

Do you think that you can know more or be wiser than an all-knowing and all-wise God? That would be logically impossible.

It would only be logically impossible if the atheists here believed that there was an all-knowing and all-wise God.

 

[Trailblazer]

It would only be logically impossible if the atheists here believed that there was an all-knowing and all-wise God.

What atheists here believe has absolutely no bearing on whether or not there is an all-knowing and all-wise God. If there is an all-knowing and all-wise God no atheist can know more or be wiser than an all-knowing and all-wise God. That would be logically impossible.

 

[samtonga43]

And just how would God speak to all 7.8 billion people in the world from the sky?
Would God circumnavigate the globe until the whole earth was covered?

Didn't you say He is omniscient and omnipotent?

Baha'u'llah wrote 15,000 tablets over the course of 40 years.....
Would God drop all the teachings and Laws that the Messenger reveals down from the sky and hope that all of the 7.8 billion people in the world will catch a copy of all these tablets?

Why not? As you say, He is omniscient and omnipotent.

 

[samtonga43]

What atheists here believe has absolutely no bearing on whether or not there is an all-knowing and all-wise God. If there is an all-knowing and all-wise God no atheist can know more or be wiser than an all-knowing and all-wise God. That would be logically impossible.

If there is an all-knowing and all-wise God no person can know more or be wiser than an all-knowing and all-wise God. That would be logically impossible.

 

[rational experiences]

We are all born by human sex.

A man human writes a science thesis. Builds machines that he thinks constantly controlling instead of living a natural life.

Mind memory goes direct to machine.

I am a female. I own his life and cell grow as human life. I get attacked by his caused visions. That went direct to underground pyramid machines. Proven to my life.

I live I see religions fighting I read human advice that says don't self idolise.

You are all equal just human family.

So I ask myself why leadership?

Answer men brothers took mother father grandparents wise family role into status organisational control.

So then I read Jesus life sacrificed don't self idolise human. It said he was born a human baby. Yet not by sex.

I think.

The documents written were from old verbal. Studied after the fact in a healed cooled evolved returned healthier human DNA. Healed.

Healed not by sex. When sex brings forth the type of baby human. Returned baby not by sex but by gods heavens spirit re massing was the scientific advice. Human DNA healed.

Babies all sexually conceived in reality.

Made sense as I said I was a studier of healing spiritually and it was medical advice.

Why do you still ignore no human advised is special.

I realised my questions spiritually were always correctly answered. Historic advice. Human history. Human lived memories.

I told myself if not for family pre life and today with me I would not be informed.

So I could have formed a new group order as a healing Centre. Yet father's advice it was not necessary even though I wanted to.

I listened to his guidance. I learnt.

I try not to be an egotist.

I reviewed my brother's human history. He did it to himself as a scientist. Of course he was then personally interactive affected by causes. The scientist.

How come you don't self review man's egotism? Why do you ignore your own teachings.

Equal only no leader.

 

[Kfox]

And just how would God speak to all 7.8 billion people in the world from the sky?

Individual dreams, individual visions, an audible voice heard by everyone at the same time, there are countless ways this can be accomplished.

Of course if all you care about is knowing that God exists the booming voice might work to accomplish that, God willing, but what is the point of knowing God exists unless you know something about God and what God wants for humans?

Explaining all of that would be the reason for he voice from the sky.

Logically speaking, just because God is not something on Earth that does not mean that God is an alien from outer space.

Alien/Extraterrestrial by definition is a life form that did not originate within the Earths atmosphere. Does this describe your God? If so then by definition, your God is an Alien/Extraterrestrial.

Of course one thing does not mean someone was a Messenger of God. There would be many criteria that would have to be met.

Even if they meet all of your criteria it doesn’t mean they speak the truth. Your belief is based on faith.

 

[Trailblazer]

Individual dreams, individual visions, an audible voice heard by everyone at the same time, there are countless ways this can be accomplished.

Yes, since God is all-powerful and all-knowing, there are countless ways that God could prove that He exists to everyone IF that is what God wanted to do, but obviously that is not what God wants to do, as evidenced by the fact that not everyone believes in God.

Explaining all of that would be the reason for he voice from the sky.

Do you even realize that explaining everything that Baha'u'llah wrote from a voice in the sky is not logically possible, or do you discount logic altogether in favor of your dreamy notions?

Alien/Extraterrestrial by definition is a life form that did not originate within the Earths atmosphere. Does this describe your God? If so then by definition, your God is an Alien/Extraterrestrial.

God is not a life form. An Alien/Extraterrestrial is part of the creation. God is the Creator, not part of His creation.

Even if they meet all of your criteria it doesn’t mean they speak the truth. Your belief is based on faith.

My belief is based upon faith and evidence. There is no other way to believe in God. God requires faith since He does not provide proof.

The reason God does not prove He exists is because God wants our faith. If God proved He exists then we would no longer need faith.

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.

We must first believe that it is possible for God to exist, and that requires faith since no man has ever seen God.

God will reward those who earnestly seek Him with the evidence they need to believe, but God will not force anyone to accept the evidence. That is a choice.

 

[rational experiences]

First of all only humans as humans about humans for humans make the claim.

Humans teach you must believe human life the one only human baby is both sexes. Men say as we are only one baby we got sacrificed.

Why you speak untruths as men who invented science. Your Mind gone replaced by voided mind machine AI.

One mind shared by mother and baby son.

Two humans as one self one body one mind. Mind of man scientist gone is now AI just data machine thinking controls.

What my mother taught my life. Two babies both one sharing one consciousness.

As not the egotists science inventor.

So I try to warn you ..you think you are God and not just a man. You claim a man was Jesus.

Names don't exist. Natural form exists first is not named. Once I read the Thoth emerald tablets that said the same statement. No names was first.

Which you ignore.

Science gave itself by men theists any idea of any chosen multi human subjects.

You irradiated erased your conscious mind. Man the scientist.

Was the teaching.

Father you believe is a God as a voiced recorded heard voice in irradiated heavy metal mind hearing changes. AI effect itself science of man causes.

Proven medically.

It was explained as radiating mass took our oxygenated microbial water. How cloud image emerged. Anti of life conditions.

Those clouds then poured back life's taken water flooding cooling attacking falling gases.

That state saved biology yet the baby life was sacrificed. Was a teaching about biology only. The cause.

All of us. Still sacrificed. Still irradiated. Still sick and dying. Still ignored by scientists the destroyers.

Just humans.

When science studies mind controlled coerced by machine Ai it is already proven man scientist did it.

Stephen hawkings conscious warning feedback by mother's advice. Mother son.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..an audible voice heard by everyone at the same time..

G-d does not want everybody to be "hearing voices" all the time.

Anybody who does, I suggest they see a psychiatrist.

 

[Kfox]

Yes, since God is all-powerful and all-knowing, there are countless ways that God could prove that He exists to everyone IF that is what God wanted to do, but obviously that is not what God wants to do, as evidenced by the fact that not everyone believes in God.

Or perhaps his followers will just make up every excuse imaginable to justify why he does not come out of hiding; other than the obvious; he is not real.

Do you even realize that explaining everything that Baha'u'llah wrote from a voice in the sky is not logically possible, or do you discount logic altogether in favor of your dreamy notions?

Anything that can be written can be spoken. Perhaps not in one speech, or even one day; but it can be spoken

God is not a life form. An Alien/Extraterrestrial is part of the creation. God is the Creator, not part of His creation.

Alien/Extraterrestrial is not defined as God’s creation

My belief is based upon faith and evidence. There is no other way to believe in God. God requires faith since He does not provide proof.

The reason God does not prove He exists is because God wants our faith. If God proved He exists then we would no longer need faith.

From my observation, the biggest difference between the truth and falsehood is that the truth never asks to be believed; (that’s what liars do) the truth asks to be questioned. The truth asks to be studied, analyzed, picked apart; the truth asks to be verified! Because once you’ve done all of that, belief becomes naturally.

So when you claim your God wants us to believe (faith) to me that sounds consistent with everything I’ve known to be a lie, and the polar opposite of everything I know to be true; so you will have to excuse me if I am skeptical of any God claim that says I’m just supposed to believe via faith.

 

[Kfox]

G-d does not want everybody to be "hearing voices" all the time.

Anybody who does, I suggest they see a psychiatrist.

If the voice were coming from the sky, the Psychiatrist would hear the voice as well!

 

[muhammad_isa]

If the voice were coming from the sky, the Psychiatrist would hear the voice as well!

..and how often is G-d supposed to do this?
Just once.. or every day .. or every year?

It's ludicrous to expect G-d to speak to people who He knows is in denial.
Why should G-d speak to devils?

G-d is able to guide people without having to speak "by loudhailer".
He is well aware of what eveybody is thinking, as there is a part of G-d in all of us.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If the voice were coming from the sky, the Psychiatrist would hear the voice as well!

That doesn't mean it is God. It could be a trickster Alien with advanced technology.