Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?

[Sheldon]

You keep saying this..
What are you talking about?
What do you think that I must show you?

Something beyond your bare unevidenced claim it is possible.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Something beyond your bare unevidenced claim it is possible.

..and what does that mean in practice?
What exactly is it that you want to see?

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Something beyond your bare unevidenced claim it is possible.

..and what does that mean in practice?
What exactly is it that you want to see?

It means you offered a bare unevidenced claim that a deity can exist in a different timeframe, and have failed to offer anything beyond that bare unevidenced claim when challenged to do so, and you seem content to repeat the claim from time to time, even after this is pointed out, as if that hasn't happened.

 

[Daniel Nicholson]

Here I'll get you started...
I would like evidence of something only God could do that humans could not.
We can write fiction, lie, mislead, believe lies we tell ourselves, believe 2+2=5, hallucinate, have intense emotions and out-of-body experiences. We can live by our own morals, evolve, take responsibility for our actions.

We cannot (and presumably your God can) break or suspend the laws of nature (although some are extraordinary in making it seem that way. Have you ever seen David Blaine's act? That guy is amazing). We cannot come back from the dead like zombies, or know about the afterlife. We cannot be everywhere at once.

I doubt you could describe God let alone provide evidence. What is he? A non-physical being, spirit, collective thought, or thing that can't be detected, except for that one time in iron age Palestine. When he sacrificed a part of himself, to himself, to save us from himself? He could really clear a lot of things up with a 5 minute press conference in the 21st century.

 

[Suave]

Here I'll get you started...
I would like evidence of something only God could do that humans could not.
We can write fiction, lie, mislead, believe lies we tell ourselves, believe 2+2=5, hallucinate, have intense emotions and out-of-body experiences. We can live by our own morals, evolve, take responsibility for our actions.

We cannot (and presumably your God can) break or suspend the laws of nature (although some are extraordinary in making it seem that way. Have you ever seen David Blaine's act? That guy is amazing). We cannot come back from the dead like zombies, or know about the afterlife. We cannot be everywhere at once.

I doubt you could describe God let alone provide evidence. What is he? A non-physical being, spirit, collective thought, or thing that can't be detected, except for that one time in iron age Palestine. When he sacrificed a part of himself, to himself, to save us from himself? He could really clear a lot of things up with a 5 minute press conference in the 21st century.

Welcome to RF. God is our genetic code's Creator. who has left us this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying us the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.
https://apollosolaris.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/wow.pdf

Icarus
Volume 224, Issue 1, May 2013, Pages 228-242

The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code
Vladimir I. shCherbak, Maxim A. Makukov

Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle. The significance of 37 being a factor in decoding the message of a mathematic depiction of an Egyptian triangle in our genetic code might be linked to the Hebrew gematria numeric value of 37 in Genesis 1:1.

The 3 main words (God, the heaven, the earth) in Hebrew have a gematria numeric value of 777 (111x7), ". which is divisible by 37.

The numeric value of the entire verse is 2701 which is divisible by 37.

We may now proceed to finding the number 37 interlaced in the first verse of the Bible. We can do this by discovering words or groups of words with number values evenly divisible by 37, e.g. the 3 main words (“God” + ”the heaven” + ”the earth” = 777 = 21x37), the 5 first words (“In the beginning” + “created” + “God” + “*” + “the heaven” = 1998 = 54x37), or the last two words separately (“and” = 407 = 11x37 and “the earth” = 296 = 8x37)

You shall have no other gods before the Creator of the Heavens and Earth, life's Creator.

 

[Trailblazer]

Here I'll get you started...
I would like evidence of something only God could do that humans could not.
We can write fiction, lie, mislead, believe lies we tell ourselves, believe 2+2=5, hallucinate, have intense emotions and out-of-body experiences. We can live by our own morals, evolve, take responsibility for our actions.

We cannot (and presumably your God can) break or suspend the laws of nature (although some are extraordinary in making it seem that way.

God can do these things but you will not see Him doing them, so how would you know God was doing these things?.

I doubt you could describe God let alone provide evidence. What is he? A non-physical being, spirit, collective thought, or thing that can't be detected,

I can only describe God according to my religion, then you will have some idea what I believe about God.

God in the Bahá'í Faith

except for that one time in iron age Palestine. When he sacrificed a part of himself, to himself, to save us from himself?

Do you believe that?

He could really clear a lot of things up with a 5 minute press conference in the 21st century.

If God showed up on earth and manifested all that is latent withing Him, this is what I believe would happen:

“Were the Eternal Essence to manifest all that is latent within Him, were He to shine in the plentitude of His glory, none would be found to question His power or repudiate His truth. Nay, all created things would be so dazzled and thunderstruck by the evidences of His light as to be reduced to utter nothingness.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 71-72

 

[Sheldon]

Welcome to RF. God is our genetic code's Creator. who has left us this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying us the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well as the number 37 embedded in our genetic code.
https://apollosolaris.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/wow.pdf

Icarus
Volume 224, Issue 1, May 2013, Pages 228-242

The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code
Vladimir I. shCherbak, Maxim A. Makukov

Eight of the canonical amino acids can be sufficiently defined by the composition of their codon's first and second base nucleotides. The nucleon sum of these amino acids' side chains is 333 (=37 * 3 squared), the sun of their block nucleons (basic core structure) is 592 (=37 * 4 squared), and the sum of their total nucleons is 925 (=37 * 5 squared ). With 37 factored out, this results in 3 squared + 4 squared + 5 squared, which is representative of an Egyptian triangle. The significance of 37 being a factor in decoding the message of a mathematic depiction of an Egyptian triangle in our genetic code might be linked to the Hebrew gematria numeric value of 37 in Genesis 1:1.

The 3 main words (God, the heaven, the earth) in Hebrew have a gematria numeric value of 777 (111x7), ". which is divisible by 37.

The numeric value of the entire verse is 2701 which is divisible by 37.

We may now proceed to finding the number 37 interlaced in the first verse of the Bible. We can do this by discovering words or groups of words with number values evenly divisible by 37, e.g. the 3 main words (“God” + ”the heaven” + ”the earth” = 777 = 21x37), the 5 first words (“In the beginning” + “created” + “God” + “*” + “the heaven” = 1998 = 54x37), or the last two words separately (“and” = 407 = 11x37 and “the earth” = 296 = 8x37)

You shall have no other gods before the Creator of the Heavens and Earth, life's Creator.

You do know that what you're describing is just a very unremarkable coincidence right? Humans are pattern seeking animals, we have evolved that way, so finding something in our DNA that has an unremarkable similarity to something else triggers that desire to make a connection. Also the more tortured and complicated you make the explanation to reach this connection, the more it violates Occam's razor, and so it becomes less and less remarkable.

 

[Sheldon]

God can do these things but you will not see Him doing them, so how would you know God was doing these things?.

We have absolutely no objective evidence, so we don't know that a deity is doing anything, which I believe was his point.

I can only describe God according to my religion, then you will have some idea what I believe about God.

That's irrelevant, as what he's asking for is objective evidence for the belief, not the claims that make up the belief.

 

[Daniel Nicholson]

Welcome to RF. God is our genetic code's Creator. who has left us this mathematical pattern in our genetic code conveying us the symbol of an Egyptian triangle as well .....

You mixed Christianity with the matrix?!?
What?!?
Why?!?
A simulated universe is actually more plausible than most other religious beliefs, but to mix it with Christianity? Simply stunning.
You are taking arbitrary data from biology and Christian literature to equal 37, and somehow that is proof of God?
Please stop

 

[Suave]

You do know that what you're describing is just a very unremarkable coincidence right? Humans are pattern seeking animals, we have evolved that way, so finding something in our DNA that has an unremarkable similarity to something else triggers that desire to make a connection. Also the more tortured and complicated you make the explanation to reach this connection, the more it violates Occam's razor, and so it becomes less and less remarkable.

By following Occam's razor, you are just most likely to be correct, it does not mean you are most certainly correct. Fine then, I'll follow Occam's Razor, which by the way will only most likely lead me to reaching the proper conclusion, but it won't with total certainty lead to me to the proper conclusion, and I'll reluctantly disregard any remarkable mathematical patterns fabricated in our DNA as being coincidental to mathematical patterns I recognize as conveying a message to me of a mathematical depiction of an Egyptian triangle.

 

[Suave]

You mixed Christianity with the matrix?!?
What?!?
Why?!?
A simulated universe is actually more plausible than most other religious beliefs, but to mix it with Christianity? Simply stunning.
You are taking arbitrary data from biology and Christian literature to equal 37, and somehow that is proof of God?
Please stop

I'm now reluctantly taking Sheldon's advice to follow Occam's razor, which means I'm to disregard any mathematical patterns fabricated in our D.N.A. as being mere coincidence to mathematical patterns I recognize as conveying to me a mathematical depiction of an Egyptian triangle.

 

[Suave]

You mixed Christianity with the matrix?!?
What?!?
Why?!?
A simulated universe is actually more plausible than most other religious beliefs, but to mix it with Christianity? Simply stunning.

Speaking of which, I am pretty stoked about going to watch the Matrix Resurrections, this is a must see film for me as a Christian Matrixist. Do you also plan to watch this film?

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[CG Didymus]

God can do these things but you will not see Him doing them, so how would you know God was doing these things?.

So many times in the Bible God does reveal himself, a burning bush, an angel, sending fire from heaven. Here Gideon has God give him a sign. Do you believe God can do things like this? And does God do things like this, or is this just a fictional story? And doesn't do these things? Now... if he did, we could, or anyone could, have him do something that only he could make happen and see if it happens.

Judges 6:36 So Gideon said to God, “If You will save Israel by my hand as You have said— 37 look, I shall put a fleece of wool on the threshing floor; if there is dew on the fleece only, and it is dry on all the ground, then I shall know that You will save Israel by my hand, as You have said.” 38 And it was so. When he rose early the next morning and squeezed the fleece together, he wrung the dew out of the fleece, a bowlful of water. 39 Then Gideon said to God, “Do not be angry with me, but let me speak just once more: Let me test, I pray, just once more with the fleece; let it now be dry only on the fleece, but on all the ground let there be dew.” 40 And God did so that night. It was dry on the fleece only, but there was dew on all the ground.​

 

[Trailblazer]

So many times in the Bible God does reveal himself, a burning bush, an angel, sending fire from heaven. Here Gideon has God give him a sign. Do you believe God can do things like this? And does God do things like this, or is this just a fictional story?

Who is to say if it is a fictional story? Nobody can ever know now. If God did reveal Himself thousands of years ago, there would have had to be a reason why God revealed Himself, perhaps because those people required a miracle to have faith.

And doesn't do these things? Now... if he did, we could, or anyone could, have him do something that only he could make happen and see if it happens.

God does not do these things now, reveal Himself to ordinary people, because this is a different age in history and people are capable of believing in God on faith and evidence from the Manifestations.

I believe I have had signs from God, I get them all the time, but I could never prove that to anyone

 

[Sheldon]

By following Occam's razor, you are just most likely to be correct, it does not mean you are most certainly correct.

I haven't made a claim, the claim was yours, and Occam's razor means we can infer something rationally about the claim. FWIW, I don't believe absolute certainty is possible.

Fine then, I'll follow Occam's Razor, which by the way will only most likely lead me to reaching the proper conclusion, but it won't with total certainty lead to me to the proper conclusion, and I'll reluctantly disregard any remarkable mathematical patterns fabricated in our DNA as being coincidental to mathematical patterns I recognize as conveying a message to me of a mathematical depiction of an Egyptian triangle.

1. Your claim it is remarkable is subjective opinion.
2. Your claim it is "fabricated" in our DNA, is a begging the question fallacy.
3. The number 37 being tortured into different scenarios is not a pattern.
4. The more complex the assumptions required to insert this "pattern" the more obviously irrational it is.

 

[greenboy21x]

Well, since I am 222 pages late, I just wanted to add this, if it has not already been stated. From my many, many conversations (online and in person) with atheists, I can confidentially say that, there literally isn't any evidence that will convince an atheist of the existence of God because, by the very nature of their stance and logic, it simply can't be proven nor accepted.

 

[Sheldon]

there literally isn't any evidence that will convince an atheist of the existence of God

That seams something of a circular reasoning fallacy. However as an atheist I should prefer it if people don't tell me what I will or will not believe, or why. I treat all claims the same, and that includes god claims, and I believe things that are supported by sufficient objective evidence.

 

[Repox]

If there is no God, why do we have the Old Testament? Is it possible that a few men just made it up? If they made it up, why is there a plot line from God recognizing certain people, giving them the Ten Commandments, and then coming into the world as Jesus. What a fantastic story, and it was fabricated?

 

[lukethethird]

If there is no God, why do we have the Old Testament? Is it possible that a few men just made it up? If they made it up, why is there a plot line from God recognizing certain people, giving them the Ten Commandments, and then coming into the world as Jesus. What a fantastic story, and it was fabricated?

What are the odds?

 

[Repox]

What are the odds? Figure it out and let us know.