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Atheists: will you die as atheists or look for religion?

Kirran

Premium Member
I think it can be hard to understand for many people, in particular many Muslims, that people do genuinely and completely not believe in God. It isn't a denial of some obvious truth - it really is the case that they don't see God as being obviously real and see no reason or evidence to believe in any deity.
 

Baladas

An Págánach
I think it can be hard to understand for many people, in particular many Muslims, that people do genuinely and completely not believe in God. It isn't a denial of some obvious truth - it really is the case that they don't see God as being obviously real and see no reason or evidence to believe in any deity.

Christians often have this issue too.
An old mentor of mine once confessed to me that he didn't believe in real atheists.
"There are not real atheists" he said.
I was floored when he said that.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I don't think it would be logical for me. I wouldn't worship something just because it was there.
In any case, I don't have faith in the existence of gods, either individually or as a group. So I live by the saying:
"Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no Gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
Beautiful! I hope that is right! ((hugsss))) :)
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Gosh, I must read the writings of the above again because I missed the mention of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad , the promised Messiah.

All the writings we have from them have been corrupted. That's why we know that they originally mentioned Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

We can prove they are corrupted by the fact Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not mentioned.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
All the writings we have from them have been corrupted. That's why we know that they originally mentioned Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

We can prove they are corrupted by the fact Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is not mentioned.
And the fact that there is no genuine evidence that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the promised Messiah simply underscore the authenticity of the claim.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Is your choice for atheism real one till death or its a rebellion which wont last for long?

Im an atheist and it has nothing to do with my religious life (in other words, its not part of my life at all). What doesnt exist cant influence my life.

With that said, there is no rebellion. To quote Spock: "That's illogical." Until death I will be with family and after death I will be with family.

Atheism has nothing to do with it.

Why rebellion?
 

Jedster

Flying through space
Im an atheist and it has nothing to do with my religious life (in other words, its not part of my life at all). What doesnt exist cant influence my life.

With that said, there is no rebellion. To quote Spock: "That's illogical." Until death I will be with family and after death I will be with family.

Atheism has nothing to do with it.

Why rebellion?
Nice post.
My aunt Clare, who died a few months short of a century, said something similar to me shortly before she died.
She said "Aaah, soon I will be with Esther again". Esther was her identical twin who died 20 years previously.
Clare was atheist all her life, so I said "But auntie, you always said you are an atheist".
She just smiled the sweetest smile and we drank tea together.

I am not certain what her smile meant, but I saw the smile of a person who had lived an honourable life. Atheism had nothing to do with it.
 
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Kirran

Premium Member
And the fact that there is no genuine evidence that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is the promised Messiah simply underscore the authenticity of the claim.

Yes, this is further evidence of the corruption, which you will see supports Ahmadiyya true Islam if you use the correct approach. Correct approach is to study things knowing that Ahmadiyya true Islam is correct. It would be an incorrect approach to study evidence without already assuming truth of Ahmadiyya true Islam. Right? Please.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Nice post.
My aunt Clare, who died a few months short of a century, said something similar to me shortly before she died.
She said "Aaah, soon I will be with Esther again". Esther was he identical twin who died 20 years previously.
Clare was atheist all her life, so I said "But auntie, you always said you are an atheist".
She just smiled the sweetest smile and we drank tea together.

I am not certain what her smile meant, but I saw the smile of a person who had lived an honourable life. Atheism had nothing to do with it.

Beautiful.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
"There are no gods higher than the truth." -- Gandhi.

Worth keeping in mind, Brahman/the Absolute/God in the Advaitic strains of Hinduism to which Gandhi adhered is also often referred to as 'Truth' on account of its unique reality. 'True' and 'real' are more or less convergent concepts in this philosophical branch.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Worth keeping in mind, Brahman/the Absolute/God in the Advaitic strains of Hinduism to which Gandhi adhered is also often referred to as 'Truth' on account of its unique reality. 'True' and 'real' are more or less convergent concepts in this philosophical branch.

Good to know. Allow me to rephrase that. "There are no gods higher than the truth." -- Sunstone.
 
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