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Atheists: Would you like to believe in God if there was good evidence for God?

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Heyo said:
Yes, knowledge is important to me, even when it's inconvenient. Knowledge about inconvenient things is even more important because only if I know about something inconvenient, I can do something about it.
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That is a very wise and logical approach.
If there is something we can know and do something about, it is smart to know so we can do something with what we know. This not only applies to God but also to things like home repairs. I know the latter only too well. :eek:
 
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Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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leov said:
Materialism is kind of default condition, but I think also calcification of glands, burning coal and introducing of sugar, noise, dirty water played role too. Sort of epygenetics.
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Yes, all those are contributing factors.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Hockeycowboy said:
Whenever I read an atheist post stating the God of Abraham was evil, I always wonder how and why they think the Apostle John could say @ 1 John 4:8, “God is love.” Do they think they know something John didn’t? Lol.
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Do you think that modern Christians are the only one's guilty of cognitive dissonance?
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
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Subduction Zone said:
Nope, massive fail. Try again.

Here is a hint, just because you cannot understand a concept does not make it wrong.
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Here’s a hint:

You know from observation and experience, that all complex and functional information has intelligence as it’s source. But then with the most complex information of all, DNA, you deny it.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Hockeycowboy said:
Here’s a hint:

You know from observation and experience, that all complex and functional information has intelligence as it’s source. But then with the most complex information of all, DNA, you deny it.
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Argument from ignorance. And equivocation fallacy. Try again.
 
NewGuyOnTheBlock

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
*** Blind Post ***

There are certain gods I would certainly NOT want to be real; and others that wouldn't be so bad. And, just because a god existed does not necessarily mean that I would *like* or *want* to subjugate myself to that particular deity, nor would I like to do so.

If there were convincing evidence for God, it wouldn't matter if I would "like" to believe in its existence or not. Hypothetically, the evidence would lead to that conclusion and would thus represent reality; and so there it is.

I did not *want* to disbelieve when I started my deconversion journey. Believing one is in the palm of the hand of an omnipotent God tending to your well-being because he loves you and you are the apple of his eye? Who would WANT to give THAT up? But disbelief was where the evidence lead me; so, so be it.

I did not *want* to believe that time is not flow at the same rate everywhere. The idea that it slows down as I sped up was an uncomfortable challenge to my perception of reality. I "liked" believing that time was nothing more than a perception and a human construct. But time is a thing, it doesn't flow at the same rate (opening the tantalizing possibility of non-linear time); and no matter if I like it or not, there it is, so that be that.
 
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JJ50

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If there was irrefutable proof the unpleasant Biblical god exists, I would hope humans would be using their scientific knowledge to discover a way of exterminating it.:mad:
 
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QuestioningMind

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Trailblazer said:
On another thread….

Trailblazer said: Many atheists say they would like to believe in God if they only had the evidence.

@ ecco said:
Name one. Show where he/she said "they would like to believe in God if they only had the evidence." That isn't what atheists say. That's what theists would like to believe atheists say.

Trailblazer said: Holy moly! ~~~ This is practically all atheists say, at least to me. Sorry, I cannot quote atheists from other forums because that is not right. They posted to me on other forums in confidence. Sure, they are public forums, but it is bad practice to take posts from one forum to another forum. But it is not only on the “other forums” where atheists have said this. They have also said it on RF. I am not saying that ALL atheists would like to believe in God if they had the evidence, since some atheists probably have no interest in God. But if they don’t have any interest in God, why is this forum comprised of as many atheists as believers? Hmmmmm.....

This would be a great topic for a new thread:

“Atheists: Would you like to believe in God if there was good evidence for God?”

Please answer 1, 2 or 3.

1) Yes, I would like to believe in God if there was evidence that was good enough.
2) I am not sure. I might like to believe in God if there was evidence that was good enough.
3) No, I would not like to believe in God even if there was evidence that was good enough.

* By good enough I mean evidence that was sufficient for you to believe that God exists, evidence that proved to you that God exists.
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First off, if there was verifiable evidence that a god exists then I would believe in the existence of that god. My like or dislike of the god wouldn't have any bearing on the matter. Now, if the question is, would I like to find verifiable evidence for a god, I'd first have to ask what god you are talking about.

If it's the god that's depicted in the bible, then my answer would be no, I would definitely not like to find verifiable evidence that such a being actually exists. That's because I find the god depicted in the bible to be a vile and despicable being.
 
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QuestioningMind

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Trailblazer said:
I guess you mean that God would have to show up.
So what if God showed up and He w\as not what you hoped He would be, would you still believe in Him?
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I notice that you refer to belief as if it was a switch that you can choose to turn on and off at will. IF there is verifiable evidence that something exists, whether you 'like' that something or whether it's not what you hoped it would be, is completely irrelevant as to whether or not you believe it. The verifiable evidence that the something does in fact exist means that you would have to ignore established reality in order to NOT believe in it.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
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Trailblazer said:
I am not driving anything anywhere. I said "hypothetically speaking, if such a God was proven to you to exist......"
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Trouble is, the premises of your question are so restrictive as to go into full fantasy/sci-fi mode.

I have never lived in a world where the Dharmics were Abrahamic (fortunately), nor where there was a point in wondering if I believed in the existence of gods, nor one where it somehow made sense to ask whether something was demonstrated to exist should or could be believed in.

You are describing me your fantasy, one which I never shared and do not expect to ever share or want, and asking how I would react to it.

What better answer can I offer than variations of "I have no way of knowing, and less reason to care"?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hockeycowboy said:
Here’s a hint:

You know from observation and experience, that all complex and functional information has intelligence as it’s source. But then with the most complex information of all, DNA, you deny it.
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You really need to pay attention to your own arguments. You are using multiple definitions of "information". That argument was refuted many times over here. You lost, get over it. And your refusal to admit the obvious does not mean that what is now idiocy has not been refuted.

Snark does not work when one does not let one's own brain function properly.
 
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Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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Trailblazer said:
“Atheists: Would you like to believe in God if there was good evidence for God?”

Please answer 1, 2 or 3.

1) Yes, I would like to believe in God if there was evidence that was good enough.
2) I am not sure. I might like to believe in God if there was evidence that was good enough.
3) No, I would not like to believe in God even if there was evidence that was good enough.
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If there was good evidence for any God then I would have to accept such - it being reality after all. No belief involved, just acceptance.

If God had a hand in our journey and history I might not be too pleased (so not exactly liking God), since I might view this God as being incompetent, malicious, or any other descriptive, if such a God could have changed history or the starting conditions for humans. Why allow so much conflict regarding religious beliefs, for example? If God had no such control - merely waving the starting flag (or using the starting gun - big bang?), and saying 'off you go lads and lasses - good luck - you'll need it', then I might be more sympathetic.

So liking might be dependent upon the circumstances - that is, how much control any God had.

Anyway, Hiya! Hope you are well and all that. :D
 
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