Attention All Creationists, Here's Your Big Chance

[Timothy Spurlin]

Or perhaps some people are just intelligent enough to understand that a being capable of creating the universe and all life within, could never actually be explained by pitiful human minds that can't even think outside their own box..... Let alone a box beyond our comprehension.....

You think it's bad that all of physics collapses at the event horizon of a black hole, but yet we are supposed to be able to explain the One that created it to begin with???? With that physics that couldn't even explain what was created, let alone the Creator????

Yes, the intelligent ones just realize we are vastly limited in our understanding.....

We don't have the math, physics or the knowledge to even begin to explain that Intelligence....

If there is a god that created the universe, why doesn't it leave testable evidence for us to find?
I know how I got here, my parents had sex. That is how all animals get here.
The gods humanity worship are constructs created by humans to explain the mystery's that we didn't understand.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

There will never be a "post-human" descendant of man. To make that claim tells us that one does not understand evolution. One cannot evolve out of one's heritage. Any descendant of man will still be a man just as you are still an ape.

Ahh yes, the we are still fish argument, and bacteria, and invertebrates and vertebrates too.... why any and just about everything...... Convenient.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If there is a god that created the universe, why doesn't it leave testable evidence for us to find?
I know how I got here, my parents had sex. That is how all animals get here.
The gods humanity worship are constructs created by humans to explain the mystery's that we didn't understand.

Ahh yes, you got here because your parents had sex, but not so the first species to exist which was a single celled organism?????

There is testable evidence. Romans 1:20

What's your excuse for ignoring that invisible power that exists inside every atom in existence and makes you capable of participating in this thread?

Dawkins went so far as to explain away the design we see by theorizing perhaps aliens created us. As long as the aliens evolved by natural causes he could accept that possibility. So it wasn't really the design he objects to, just the Designer......

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

In my model of reality the intelligent designer of the universe is a theistic or personal or interactive God. I define God as a conscious, intelligent, infinite, eternal being of pure spirit or energy.

However, God i believe created a team of what the bible calls the elohim (e.g. angels or gaurdians or....extra terestrials). Then he gave the blueprints to them in order to design us from the dust.

Interesting enough, the naturalists for all intents and purposes already think we came from non living chemicals in dust or mud.

So.....there ya go. And the evidence of Intelligent design is in information, complexity and order that exists prevalent within our world.

So your god is personal, only interacts with you? This would make your god subjective, coming from your mind.
What objective evidence do you have any god exist?
I wasn't made from dust or mud, my mother gave birth to me. We're you made from dust or mud?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

All human beings are great apes; I'm not ashamed of this fact ....

By way of gene editing, humankind can now significantly and swiftly shape the course of our evolution....

Reference: Genome editing - Wikipedia

Reference: What is CRISPR gene editing, and how does it work?

Ahh yes, the use of virus to target specific cells non-randomly to change specific letters. But of course ERV's had to have infected randomly...... and so show descent right?

 

[Timothy Spurlin]

Ahh yes, you got here because your parents had sex, but not so the first species to exist which was a single celled organism?????

There is testable evidence. Romans 1:20

What's your excuse for ignoring that invisible power that exists inside every atom in existence and makes you capable of participating in this thread?

Dawkins went so far as to explain away the design we see by theorizing perhaps aliens created us. As long as the aliens evolved by natural causes he could accept that possibility. So it wasn't really the design he objects to, just the Designer......

I don't know what the first specie's was.
How did you get here? We're you made from dust or mud?
Your bible verse is the claim not the evidence.
What objective evidence do you have any god exist?

 

[Sky Rivers]

Intelligent design is different from creationism, and intelligent design doesn’t always require god-belief. (ET intelligent design for example).

1) Intelligent design often deals with the following being true:

A) The Big Bang
B) Evolution

2) Intelligent design features a first mover, (prime mover) who set the Big Bang into motion (the creation machine).

3. Creationism features a more involved deity (God) who hand-created everything, right down to the insects.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So your god is personal, only interacts with you? This would make your god subjective, coming from your mind.
What objective evidence do you have any god exist?
I wasn't made from dust or mud, my mother gave birth to me. We're you made from dust or mud?

My God might interact with you too, if you had the faith to believe in Him as much as you have faith in man....

I wasn't made from dust or mud, my mother gave birth to me. We're you made from dust or mud?

Are you sure? Even your theory starts with the first life evolving from non-life. Call it dust or mud, or whatever you choose to call the particles that make up dust......

We just don't go through a convoluted process of being single celled organisms to fish to man..... We admit Adam having sex with Eve was the start of all babies....

But then you don't understand what happened when part of Adam was taken to form Eve.... Half of Adams Chromosomes were used to create Eve. Which is why the "two shall become one flesh." So when man and woman have sex, those two chromosomes recombine and one flesh is born......

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Intelligent design is different from creationism, and intelligent design doesn’t always require god-belief. (ET intelligent design for example).

1) Intelligent design often deals with the following being true:

A) The Big Bang
B) Evolution

2) Intelligent design features a first mover, (prime mover) who set the Big Bang into motion (the creation machine).

3. Creationism features a more involved deity (God) who hand-created everything, right down to the insects.

The evidence does not support evolution. Every single fossil creature remains the same from the oldest fossil found for that creature until it goes extinct. The only link between others is those claimed missing common ancestors that are missing for every single creature on every single tree for every single split.... We have creatures before the claimed split, we have creatures after the claimed split, but out of the billions of creatures that must have existed that split, not a single solitary one.

Instead we have exactly what we see with dogs. Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff. When Husky mates with Mastiff we get the Chinook. It appears suddenly in the record where it never existed before. But this is important. Neither the Husky nor the Mastiff "evolved" into the Chinook... They just can't see what mated with what from a pile of bones and so incorrectly conclude one thing evolved into another..... calling what are merely breeds within the species separate species....

Or humans..... Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African. Yet when Asian mates with African we get an Afro-Asian. They appear suddenly in the record where they did not appear before.....

Or any life you care to name.....

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ahh yes, the we are still fish argument, and bacteria, and invertebrates and vertebrates too.... why any and just about everything...... Convenient.

Facts are amazingly convenient when debating with people that do not have any.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The evidence does not support evolution. Every single fossil creature remains the same from the oldest fossil found for that creature until it goes extinct. The only link between others is those claimed missing common ancestors that are missing for every single creature on every single tree for every single split.... We have creatures before the claimed split, we have creatures after the claimed split, but out of the billions of creatures that must have existed that split, not a single solitary one.

Instead we have exactly what we see with dogs. Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff. When Husky mates with Mastiff we get the Chinook. It appears suddenly in the record where it never existed before. But this is important. Neither the Husky nor the Mastiff "evolved" into the Chinook... They just can't see what mated with what from a pile of bones and so incorrectly conclude one thing evolved into another..... calling what are merely breeds within the species separate species....

Or humans..... Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African. Yet when Asian mates with African we get an Afro-Asian. They appear suddenly in the record where they did not appear before.....

Or any life you care to name.....

This post only tells us that you do not understand the nature of evidence or how evidence works.

Would you like to take a short side trip and try to learn?

And of course no dog can turn into a salmon:

 

[Jollybear]

So your god is personal, only interacts with you? This would make your god subjective, coming from your mind.
What objective evidence do you have any god exist?
I wasn't made from dust or mud, my mother gave birth to me. We're you made from dust or mud?

Why should i answer something so oversimplified to the point i cant help but conclude it was delebarate?

 

[Sky Rivers]

The evidence does not support evolution. Every single fossil creature remains the same from the oldest fossil found for that creature until it goes extinct. The only link between others is those claimed missing common ancestors that are missing for every single creature on every single tree for every single split.... We have creatures before the claimed split, we have creatures after the claimed split, but out of the billions of creatures that must have existed that split, not a single solitary one.

Instead we have exactly what we see with dogs. Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff. When Husky mates with Mastiff we get the Chinook. It appears suddenly in the record where it never existed before. But this is important. Neither the Husky nor the Mastiff "evolved" into the Chinook... They just can't see what mated with what from a pile of bones and so incorrectly conclude one thing evolved into another..... calling what are merely breeds within the species separate species....

Or humans..... Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African. Yet when Asian mates with African we get an Afro-Asian. They appear suddenly in the record where they did not appear before.....

Or any life you care to name.....

Goodness, I’m not an evolutionist.

 

[Sky Rivers]

This post only tells us that you do not understand the nature of evidence or how evidence works.

Would you like to take a short side trip and try to learn?

And of course no dog can turn into a salmon:

Nice salmon!!!

 

[Looncall]

Or perhaps some people are just intelligent enough to understand that a being capable of creating the universe and all life within, could never actually be explained by pitiful human minds that can't even think outside their own box..... Let alone a box beyond our comprehension.....

You think it's bad that all of physics collapses at the event horizon of a black hole, but yet we are supposed to be able to explain the One that created it to begin with???? With that physics that couldn't even explain what was created, let alone the Creator????

Yes, the intelligent ones just realize we are vastly limited in our understanding.....

humans don't have the math, physics or the knowledge to even begin to explain that Intelligence.... We are just intelligent enough to understand our limitations......

How do you make the jump to a personality as cause?

 

[osgart]

Intelligence is apart of nature. Its a force of creation. There is no being inside of this force. Eyes are in response to the intelligent environment and brains are in response to a mental world.

If there are beings involved, they certainly dont live anywhere near the universe. However there is an endless infinity of real estate out beyond the universe, maybe they live there.

Life is a progression of intelligence. As to the nature of this eternal force, its a complete mystery. But i wouldnt discount further advancements of life in the eternal future.

I see purposes everywhere in nature. Its not gloriously designed, but evolution or no evolution, the mental realm interacts with the physical realms. I wouldnt doubt there are other infinities of other totally different physicalities.

 

[Salvador]

Ahh yes, the use of virus to target specific cells non-randomly to change specific letters. But of course ERV's had to have infected randomly...... and so show descent right?

ERVs provide the closest thing to a mathematical proof for evolution.. ERVs are the relics of ancient viral infections preserved in our DNA. The odd thing is many ERVs are located in exactly the same position on our genome and the chimpanzee genome! There are two explanations for the perfectly matched ERV locations. Either it is an unbelievable coincidence that viruses just by chance were inserted in exactly the same location in our genomes, or humans and chimps share a common ancestor. The chances that a virus was inserted at the exact same location is 1 in 3,000,000,000. Humans and chimps share 7 instances of viruses inserted at perfectly matched location. It was our common ancestor that was infected, and we both inherited the ERVs.

Johnson, Welkin E.; Coffin, John M. (1999-08-31). "Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 96(18): 10254–10260. Bibcode:1999PNAS...9610254J. doi:10.1073/pnas.96.18.10254. ISSN 0027-8424. PMC 17875. PMID 10468595.

 

[Audie]

Funny how in the early days of ID creationism, its advocates were very cautious about not making it known that the "designer" they were talking about was God. That was necessary because if that got out, then ID creationism would easily be identified as just another form of creationism and as such couldn't be taught in schools. And since that was the entire point, they went to great lengths to pretend to be neutral about the identity of the "designer".

But now that the charade is over and the political strategy has long since failed, ID creationists are quite open about how the term "designer" is just a euphemism for God. And of course since "designer" = God, then "intelligent design" is simply "creationism".

Pseudonym

 

[Audie]

There will never be a "post-human" descendant of man. To make that claim tells us that one does not understand evolution. One cannot evolve out of one's heritage. Any descendant of man will still be a man just as you are still an ape.

Nonsense

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nonsense

How so?