Flankerl
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The post shows no knowledge of post 1990s Germany or even the current situation on the topic in Germany.
Thus the post gets the appropriate response.
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Auschwitz Nazi Doctor to be tried for Murders Committed during WWII
- Thread starter leibowde84
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The post shows no knowledge of post 1990s Germany or even the current situation on the topic in Germany.
Thus the post gets the appropriate response.
Know the difference between dying suddenly and dying after being tortured.
Except they do get away with it and sometimes the US even helps them. The Japanese committed atrocities just as horrific as the Nazis, but we let Unit 371 off the hook in exchange for the results of their experiments. Same with Operation Paperclip. Then we have own atrocities we're responsible for. Basically, we're all a bunch of hypocrites, but we like to pretend that we have the moral high ground.
Unit 371 is an interesting case. Their stuff was completely unethical...but it was also at least bound in results-based science. They wanted to know something tangible. It just happened to involve chemical & biological weapons. What the Nazis wanted was simply the height of insanity.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Whos ideal o justice? What ideal of justice?
Is living out his final years with the entire world knowing who he is and what he did really getting away with it?
It also happened to involve vivisection, murder and rape that resulted in the deaths of many thousands of people, including infants. They were really not much different from the Nazis. They didn't view the Chinese, Mongols, Pacific Islanders or Southeast Asians as being human.
(The US forces didn't really view the Japanese as being human, either, and US soldiers gleefully cut their heads off and sent their skulls to their sweethearts back home as cute little war souvenirs).
Meh. Didn't try anything that didn't at least have some basis in reality. Like, say, twins being psychically linked or other bull****. Or dwarves. I could go on.
They basically did the same things that the Nazi medical experiments were about. I think you just have a special "hate-on" for the Nazis. It sounds like you're actually dismissing what the Imperial Japanese did to the Chinese and others. "Meh"?! Seriously?! I hate the Nazis, too, but I don't see them as all that special in the annals of human atrocity, brutality and degradation. Pretty much everyone was a sick **** during that war (and before the war and after the war). Humans are just pretty disgusting.
To be honest, I'm always somewhat surprised that China hasn't nuked Japan off the face of the earth for what they did to the Chinese people during WWII. They've been pretty forgiving, in my view. But I suppose they think the Japanese have had enough bombing. Lol.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
How is that relevant to an ex-nazi war criminal being held responsible for his actions? Are you actually suggesting that we can't discuss ww2 without also mentioning what Germany is like now?
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It would complicate things too greatly for them. America has interests in both the well being of both China and Japan, and China economically is very dependent upon Americans buying their cheap junk. If China nuked Japan, it would be to open a can of worms that they would be unable to close. They may also realize that few living today had anything to do with that, and the "Old Ways" of Japan were nearly almost entirely extinguished as a consequence of WWII. The Chinese may have considered that, especially the mandate to surrender their swords, to be punishment enough.
I wasn't being serious.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Can you clarify what you are referring to specifically?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Post 90s Germany has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, just to be clear. I never denied that things are completely different now.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
And yet you believe that "we" can't allow especially the Germans to forget what happened. As if that is even a faint possibility.
Come to Germany. Live here for a month. Read the newspapers, watch TV and find out how the subject is tackled in the German school curriculum. Welcome to the country where every day is Holocaust day.
I quite literally had the subject every single year from 7th grade onwards. Every year in almost every possible school subject. Be it German, English, History, Social Science, Geography, Art, Latin, French or Politics. I am just glad that there was no Jewish Religious Education subject back then, because the Protestant and Catholic classmates had it there too.
Its a topic on TV every single day.
There is bound to be some Holocaust related article in the newspapers once a week.
You British have your WW1/WW2/Empire remembrance culture, which to a German is the single weirdest thing ever. Ask a random German what his family did during WW1. They will genuinely don't know anything at all. Its as if their entire family plopped into existence on the 30th January 1933.
Germany is the Holocaust. And that is not going to change for quite some time. No one needs to remember them of what happened. When they turn 16 they've been to far more Concentration Camps and talked to more survivors than most people ever will.
And after they've gone through the school system they'll be sick and tired of it. FFS I am Jewish and I was sick and tired of it.
There should be a trial.
I remember reading some book, I recall the name was some spin off from the novel "The Boys from Brazil", it might have been "The Real Boys from Brazil", cannot recall which is embarrassing.
Anyway, it was a great read, and it had a bunch of photos in it. One photo I recall that really was striking was a black and white photo of "Miss Nazi" or something and it was either "Miss Nazi of Brazil" but it might have been "of Argentina", the girl was giving a Hitler salute and she was very native looking, meaning dark in complexion, well nothing like your "German" if you know what I mean. So she was one of the girls that were part of some beauty contest which was sponsored apparently by some Nazi's who fled Germany as well as some locals who were pro-National Socialists. The other aspect of this book, was just how hard it was to get these "ex"-Nazis. They also had a lot of local support in South America. This book was from the late 70's, probably right on the edge viz 1979. It documented Israel trying to "hunt down" some of these Nazis, and SS, and so on. My impression from the book makes me respond to this thread, that yes, apparently a lot of Nazi's involved in various illegal activities (not just murders by the way, but stealing of art, stealing of Jewish private property in the "name of the State" and so on, gold was part of the story, too) they were difficult to get them all.
So it makes sense it would take "so long to get them".
Some of these Nazi's by the way were involved in supporting Islamic extremism in the 1950's and 60's - I recall some newspaper from the 1970's showing a picture of one of these Nazi's next to an Egyptian tank and identified as one of the Nazi's that were known war criminals. I think by the late 1970s a lot of them died of natural causes. But I suppose some lived longer.
There were some groups that had contact with ex-Nazi's in the US. Some call these "right-wing" but in fact they go back to the initial days of the National Socialists and believe it or not involve some folks in the US military. Some of them, after the war (WW2) founded "groups" - I know it makes no sense, military people involved in action against Japan and Germany and then forming Nazi groups - the focus of them was anti-Semitic stuff, then came offshoots such as "Liberty Lobby". The point being, some Nazis (real ones via WW2 variety) also had involvement in the US, but this may have been remotely from South America or even Europe.
I remember reading some book, I recall the name was some spin off from the novel "The Boys from Brazil", it might have been "The Real Boys from Brazil", cannot recall which is embarrassing.
Anyway, it was a great read, and it had a bunch of photos in it. One photo I recall that really was striking was a black and white photo of "Miss Nazi" or something and it was either "Miss Nazi of Brazil" but it might have been "of Argentina", the girl was giving a Hitler salute and she was very native looking, meaning dark in complexion, well nothing like your "German" if you know what I mean. So she was one of the girls that were part of some beauty contest which was sponsored apparently by some Nazi's who fled Germany as well as some locals who were pro-National Socialists. The other aspect of this book, was just how hard it was to get these "ex"-Nazis. They also had a lot of local support in South America. This book was from the late 70's, probably right on the edge viz 1979. It documented Israel trying to "hunt down" some of these Nazis, and SS, and so on. My impression from the book makes me respond to this thread, that yes, apparently a lot of Nazi's involved in various illegal activities (not just murders by the way, but stealing of art, stealing of Jewish private property in the "name of the State" and so on, gold was part of the story, too) they were difficult to get them all.
So it makes sense it would take "so long to get them".
Some of these Nazi's by the way were involved in supporting Islamic extremism in the 1950's and 60's - I recall some newspaper from the 1970's showing a picture of one of these Nazi's next to an Egyptian tank and identified as one of the Nazi's that were known war criminals. I think by the late 1970s a lot of them died of natural causes. But I suppose some lived longer.
There were some groups that had contact with ex-Nazi's in the US. Some call these "right-wing" but in fact they go back to the initial days of the National Socialists and believe it or not involve some folks in the US military. Some of them, after the war (WW2) founded "groups" - I know it makes no sense, military people involved in action against Japan and Germany and then forming Nazi groups - the focus of them was anti-Semitic stuff, then came offshoots such as "Liberty Lobby". The point being, some Nazis (real ones via WW2 variety) also had involvement in the US, but this may have been remotely from South America or even Europe.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Post 90s Germany does have everything to do with it. Nazi Germany was broken up into Eastern and Western Germany, and they have sense been united as one, but NO ONE will let them forget the Nazis. They are reminded, very literally, all the ****ing time about it. People get scared when they here about German nationalism or pride, and they are pretty much the mark on the moral yard stick of what not to do, even some 70 years later. It's so bad that Germans tend to like it when another nation ****s up, because it means they aren't the only ones who "did that." I've never met a German who does espouse Nazi ideology, but it is a tired, beaten, and over done subject to them. They do not need any reminders, because their very existence as a German is a reminder. As I mentioned earlier, even still today there are some who don't trust Germans because of the Nazis and WWII. Even in the post Cold War Germany, Germans are still having to deal with this, practically every day, and the impression I get from some of them is that the world feels they haven't paid enough for it. It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if the rest of the world expects Germany to give this man a trial, and punish him to Hellfire and Brimstone, because the Germans have to make ammends and prove themselves, even though this generation and last couple of generations had absolutely nothing to do with the Nazis.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I understand, and that is great to hear. But what does that have to do with this specific ex-nazi?
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
So you find what I wrote positive. Congratulations, that's stupid.
I quoted something you wrote and in return wrote what I think about it.
It doesn't need to have anything to do with "this specific ex-nazi".