Australia: Coalition MP says women in child care 'not the same' as men in construction during gender pay debate

[Heyo]

It is a direct quote from the MP.

And he is an authority on women's wishes?

So what is the reason there are less women CEOs?

I don't know - and neither do you nor the MP.

Who is saying this?

When you make an assumption without any evidence, each other assumption without evidence is just as valid.

Sarcasm isn't being rude.

Good that we agree on that.

Besides, aren't you the one who thinks "new" atoms are created at CERN?

And what has that to do with female CEOs? (Except that CERN has a female director-general.)

 

[Revoltingest]

They did try to transfer some construction workers into childcare.

It was when they started using fork-lift trucks to move the children around that people began to realize that they might not be ideally suited to it.

Aye, the floors couldn't handle the weight.

 

[VoidCat]

Child care appears less so
(speaking as one who has used both child care & trades.)

As a person going into childcare here in NC you require some college education to work at a daycare. It's preferred you have an associates or working towards one. Some daycares round here won't even hire you as a lead teacher if you don't have a bachelor's. They might if you have an associates going towards a Bach tho. My boss is probably the only daycare round here that hires workers that don't have an associates and that's probably due to desperation- everyone keeps quiting due to how difficult it is to work with toddlers and babies. We had three quit one time in one day stating they weren't paid enough and they were too stressed out by the kids.

And to get an associates you need on the job training. You also need it to keep your license. To keep your license you need to have a certain amount of hours each year of on the job training. Even if you not a lead teacher. I'm required to and I'm not a lead teacher or finished getting my associates

 

[VoidCat]

As a person going into childcare here in NC you require some college education to work at a daycare. It's preferred you have an associates or working towards one. Some daycares round here won't even hire you as a lead teacher if you don't have a bachelor's. They might if you have an associates going towards a Bach tho. My boss is probably the only daycare round here that hires workers that don't have an associates and that's probably due to desperation- everyone keeps quiting due to how difficult it is to work with toddlers and babies. We had three quit one time in one day stating they weren't paid enough and they were too stressed out by the kids.

And to get an associates you need on the job training. You also need it to keep your license. To keep your license you need to have a certain amount of hours each year of on the job training. Even if you not a lead teacher. I'm required to and I'm not a lead teacher or finished getting my associates

@Revoltingest

I editted this a bit to show the on job training. In fact next semester I'll be posting less as I'll be doing my capstone practicum. I'll be having to do on the job training under the eye of a professor. It's required for my degree. A degree I need or i likely won't get hired as a lead teacher in many places.

Edit: the DCDEE requires you have a certain amount of credit hours each year of on the job training and requires a back ground check to work anywhere. It also requires certain staff to have a certain level of higher education

edit again: And a current CPR and First Aid certificate.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Revoltingest

I editted this a bit to show the on job training. In fact next semester I'll be posting less as I'll be doing my capstone practicum. I'll be having to do on the job training under the eye of a professor. It's required for my degree. A degree I need or i likely won't get hired as a lead teacher in many places.

Edit: the DCDEE requires you have a certain amount of credit hours each year of on the job training and requires a back ground check to work anywhere. It also requires certain staff to have a certain level of higher education

edit again: And a current CPR and First Aid certificate.

All useful info.

 

[VoidCat]

All useful info.

You can work as a lead teacher without an associates. But you still have to take and complete some college classes to do so legally. EDU 119(intro into early childcare) for example. And even then most daycares won't hire you because they want folk who have an associates or bachelor's

 

[Revoltingest]

You can work as a lead teacher without an associates. But you still have to take and complete some college classes to do so legally. EDU 119(intro into early childcare) for example. And even then most daycares won't hire you because they want folk who have an associates or bachelor's

In my field, it was useful to have engineering degrees
a secret clearance, & experience in designing diverse
complex (& dangerous) products.

 

[GoodAttention]

And he is an authority on women's wishes?

Says who? His quote starts with IF, not a word like SINCE or BECAUSE.

Is English your first language?

And what has that to do with female CEOs? (Except that CERN has a female director-general.)

It has to do with your ability to think critically, since you wanted to play "hero" with your questions.

Which is to say, yours isn't very much of an ability.

 

[danieldemol]

What is the point of this observation?

To point out what appears to me to be misogyny

 

[danieldemol]

What about men working in childcare and women working in construction?

To be fair he does seem to support equal pay for the same jobs, he simply weighs women dominated industries less than male dominated industries according to my understanding.

 

[Audie]

Construction (in USA) ranks among the most dangerous jobs.
Child care doesn't.

Entry level jobs in child care & construction have minimal
skill requirements. But construction skilled trades require
much training & experience. Child care appears less so
(speaking as one who has used both child care & trades.)

People who work the bamboo scaffolds need a lot more
skill and risk way more than any childcare worker.

 

[Revoltingest]

People who work the bamboo scaffolds need a lot more
skill and risk way more than any childcare worker.

Those things look like death traps.

 

[Heyo]

Says who?

Says you.

His quote starts with IF, not a word like SINCE or BECAUSE.

I don't find that quote in the article nor the OP. You said that. (Or are you referring to yourself in third person?)

Is English your first language?

Nope, My first language is logic. But there aren't many who understand it.

 

[PureX]

To point out what appears to me to be misogyny

By whom, and to what end?

I would say both jobs ought to be considered in a similar light and of similar value. Both jobs are physically demanding and involve significant safety and risk factors. Both require a complex skill set to do well, and both come with a high degree of social responsibility and oversight.

 

[Kathryn]

Roughly 11 percent of women are in construction, and about 14 percent are in executive positions.

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