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Autistic interests

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You aren't forced to work for money! If you don't, we're just going to kill you by refusing you food!

Screw you.
Now, now...mind the rules, & play nice.
You should be open to seeing that you're
not a victim here.

Others aren't forced to give you food for free.
To get it, they want money. After all, they too
need to make a living. No one is giving them
gratis the goods that they sell.

You choose to work to earn the money to buy
what you need & want. This differs from
something like the military draft, which has the
thread of prison if one doesn't submit to servitude.
"Wage slavery" is faux victimhood.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, she can't currently work, so you surmised wrong.
She complained about having to work.
It's reasonable to infer that she works.
But people have interruptions at times.
Even I have.
Then I chose to return to work.

Do you think everyone who can work is owed free
food, housing, etc? If so, who should provide it?
What if they don't want to just give it away?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
People have interruptions at times.
Even I have.
Then I chose to return to work.

Do you think everyone is owed free food, housing, etc?
If so, who should provide it?

No, I am not going to play that game with you. Your subjective notion of in effect objective rights is an evil system. Not that you are evil, but that the system is evil. And that is not objective. That is my evil system, not that I am evil.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
You're mistaken.
It's no game.
We work to buy what we need & want.
No one should have the right to demand...
"I don't want to work. Support me!"

I can't work, I want to, but I can't. There is a difference and your system is evil, because it is not based on facts. It is based on your subjective beliefs about other humans. That is what makes it evil.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I can't work, I want to, but I can't. There is a difference and your system is evil, because it is not based on facts. It is based on your subjective beliefs about other humans. That is what makes it evil.
It seems that you think this is about you (it's not)
& the mistaken idea that I oppose charity
for people unable to work (I don't).
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
It seems that you think this is about you,
& the mistaken idea that I oppose charity
for people unable to work.
It's not, & I don't.

Well, the stop treating all people as if they are the same as for someone. And I don't want your charity if I can avoid it. Because that can come with moral conditions. Study the history of charity. In some cases some of the systems for it are evil.
Governments can be evil and charity can be evil.
 

Ella S.

Well-Known Member
Now, now...mind the rules, & play nice.
You should be open to seeing that you're
not a victim here.
You just implied that I deserve to die because I'm not profitable. Now you're condescendingly telling me that I'm "not a victim" after you just rationalized my death. That's a monstrous sentiment.
Others aren't forced to give you food for free.
To get it, they want money. After all, they too
need to make a living. No one is giving them
gratis the goods that they sell.
No, no, Revolitngest. They don't "want" money to get food. They need money to get food. Food is a physiological need for survival. Without it, you die.

You're aware of that, right?
You choose to work to earn the money to buy
what you need & want. This differs from
something like the military draft, which has the
thread of prison if one doesn't submit to servitude.
"Wage slavery" is faux victimhood.
To me, there is very little moral difference between denying a starving person your excess food that you don't need and actively stealing food from them. Either way, your actions are killing them.

It's easy to evade personal responsibility for our choices by saying that we have no obligation to help others who are in need. In my opinion, that's a terrible moral position to hold.

And this isn't me being a victim and complaining about having to work like you want to portray it, either. That's a meta-narrative you're telling yourself to avoid facing how scummy your actual ideology is.

I used to volunteer at homeless shelters. When I had it, I donated my excess time and money in the service of others, because that's the right thing to do. I didn't have much, but it was enough that it could do some good in the world.

I'm currently suffering severe health issues that makes it impossible to keep steady employment. I'm still doing my best to work what little I can. I would gladly spend all of my time doing dangerous and difficult labor for the benefit of other people if I had that option again. This isn't about me being entitled.

This is about a system we live in which directly takes food out of the mouths of people who need it so that the wealthy can buy a 4th mansion or a 3rd private jet that they don't need. Those are the people who own the capital and decide who they're going to give money to.

You're saying that they determine who is valuable enough to earn the right to live, putting price tags on people's lives. That's treating humans as products and a form of coercive labor. We call that slavery.
 
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Stonetree

Abducted Member
Premium Member
Ca
autucally some of this might be ADHD hyperfixations rather then autistic interests...there is a difference...
Can you post on the subject of 'rape apologetics'....Are these excuses for the crime of rape?
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Ca
Can you post on the subject of 'rape apologetics'....Are these excuses for the crime of rape?
Its more about rape culture and how it is prepetuated. Like how someone might excuse rape by saying she was asking for it with her clothes.

There is no excuse for rape. But the culture we in perpetuates it.

It also goes hand in hand with purity culture
 

Stonetree

Abducted Member
Premium Member
@VoidCat
Its more about rape culture and how it is prepetuated. Like how someone might excuse rape by saying she was asking for it with her clothes.

There is no excuse for rape. But the culture we in perpetuates it.

It also goes hand in hand with purity culture
Okay, no need for me to go into my lecture on crimes of power committed usually because of feelings of inadequacy. Social inadequacy, the lack of ability to attract a partner...rejected probably more than once by other females...IMO
 
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VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
@VoidCat
Okay, no need for me to go into my lecture on crimes of power committed usually because of feelings of inadequacy. Social inadequacy, the lack of ability to attract a partner...rejected probably more than once by other females...IMO
That is one reason rape occurs. So is being taught that sex is owed.
 

Ella S.

Well-Known Member
You inferred.
I did not imply.

You can keep blaming me for the failings of your own worldview like you have in this entire thread. Or you can be honest with yourself and hold yourself accountable for the implications you've made, maybe even rethink what lead you to this point and why you had to make this argument personal.

It's your choice now. I don't care what you choose. I've done my part.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Well, the stop treating all people as if they are the same as for someone. And I don't want your charity if I can avoid it. Because that can come with moral conditions. Study the history of charity. In some cases some of the systems for it are evil.
Governments can be evil and charity can be evil.
Once again, you mis-read.
Or is this on purpose....just to argue?
That is a bad reason to derail this thread.

You cropped my answers. The problem is that any system or indivudal can be evil and includes us both. You are not a special unique snowflake, just because your personal philosophy makes sense to you.
We are as humans social animals that as indivudals rely on social groups.
The problem is that your philosophy treats individuals as divorced from nature and nurture in the end. But it is that complex and not as simple as we are all individuals, period and that is all there is to it.
 
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