Automating the fight against creationism

[Midnight Pete]

Well as a biologist and a theist I can tell you it is pretty silly.

Evolution has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of a deity.

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Really? Then what do you think of theistic evolution? What if evolution is God's way of creating/sustaining life on Earth?

 

[Autodidact]

Really? Then what do you think of theistic evolution? What if evolution is God's way of creating/sustaining life on Earth?

Then God exists, and the Theory of Evolution is also correct. I thought you thought evolution was atheist? You are confusing the heck out of me.

 

[Midnight Pete]

It's not. Darwin didn't come up with evolution, evolution was proposed long before darwin. He just came up with the mechanism that drives evolution, natural selection.

Are you saying Charles Darwin is not the Father of Evolution?

 

[Man of Faith]

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[painted wolf]

Are you saying Charles Darwin is not the Father of Evolution?

Charles Darwin was one of several people instrumental in developing the theory of evolution. He was not the only one... He did write the first well supported discussion on the subject that also proposed a testable mechanism.

If Darwin hadn't published at all, we would be discussing Alfred Russel Wallace in his place... the theory was inevitable.

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[Tristesse]

Are you saying Charles Darwin is not the Father of Evolution?

Yep. He just came up with mechanism that drives evolution, natural selection.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Yep. He just came up with mechanism that drives evolution, natural selection.

You make it sound like evolution was something Darwin built in his garage.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Charles Darwin was one of several people instrumental in developing the theory of evolution. He was not the only one... He did write the first well supported discussion on the subject that also proposed a testable mechanism.

If Darwin hadn't published at all, we would be discussing Alfred Russel Wallace in his place... the theory was inevitable.

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And if Einstein had not written about relativity ....?

 

[Revoltingest]

You make it sound like evolution was something Darwin built in his garage.

It's known as Darwin's quadricycle.

 

[Autodidact]

Are you saying Charles Darwin is not the Father of Evolution?

Well, he played an extremely important role in pioneering the Theory of Evolution. He's not the sole originator, and certainly not the prophet or source.

 

[Autodidact]

You make it sound like evolution was something Darwin built in his garage.

Sort of, after sailing around the world. Actually, his garden shed.

 

[Tristesse]

You make it sound like evolution was something Darwin built in his garage.

Does this mean that you understand that darwin was not the only, or even the first person to propose the idea of evolution?

 

[linwood]

Seems kind of lazy.

How do you know there isn't a anti-atheist bot already in use?

There are literally billions of anti-atheist "bots" in use today. They aren`t software but flesh and blood, the database they run off is very similar though.


To the OP:
That takes all the fun out of it.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Does this mean that you understand that darwin was not the only, or even the first person to propose the idea of evolution?

If you say so.

My reponse would be another if you were to tell me that William Shakespeare did not actually write any of the plays attributed to him.

 

[linwood]

If you say so.

My reponse would be another if you were to tell me that William Shakespeare did not actually write any of the plays attributed to him.

The difference is that Shakespeare actually created the plays.
Darwin didn`t create evolution he was just the first to successfully write about it`s driving force.

Evolution already existed as it always had.
He was just one of the first to notice and understand it.
He was not a creator but a messenger and analyst.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Are you saying Charles Darwin is not the Father of Evolution?

At the same meeting of the Royal Society when Darwin's work was first presented, so was Wallace's own paper on evolution by natural selection.

Lamarck had hypothesized an earlier form of evolution around 1800. Lamarck got the mechanisms for evolution wrong, but there was already wide acceptance of the idea that speciation occurs by gradual change over successive generations long before Charles Darwin appeared on the scene.

And Charles Darwin's grandfather Erasmus Darwin proposed common descent even before that.

 

[Tristesse]

If you say so.

My reponse would be another if you were to tell me that William Shakespeare did not actually write any of the plays attributed to him.

No, william shakespear most likely wrote the plays etc.. that are attributed to him, however, he did not create the language or the words that he used. Thats a more accurate analogy. Anyways, you should really do some studying on the subject, because you would probably find out in a hurry that evolution was thought of long before darwin.

There ya go!
Evolution Before Darwin » Heaving Dead Cats

 

[Midnight Pete]

The difference is that Shakespeare actually created the plays.
Darwin didn`t create evolution he was just the first to successfully write about it`s driving force.

Evolution already existed as it always had.
He was just one of the first to notice and understand it.
He was not a creator but a messenger and analyst.

Yeah, I understand that. I understand that Nature itself predates any human ideas about evolution and natural selection.

 

[fantome profane]

All of science is atheistic in that science does not recognize the existence of God. Are you going to tell me otherwise?

Yes I am going to tell you otherwise (auto already did, but I will repeat it). Science is not atheistic. Science does not hold any position concerning the existence of “God” one way or the other. Evolution does not make any claims concerning “God” one way or the other. Relativity does not make any claims concerning “God” one way or the other. Need I go on?

Really? Then what do you think of theistic evolution? What if evolution is God's way of creating/sustaining life on Earth?

Personally I am an atheist, so I don’t agree with theistic evolution. But I do respect the idea of theistic evolution, and if you notice my signature you will see I am a big fan of Ken Miller. Theistic evolution is a valid metaphysical interpretation of the science of evolution.

Creationism on the other hand is not a valid interpretation of the scientific evidence; I have nothing but contempt for the nonsensical pseudo-science of creationism.

 

[painted wolf]

Really? Then what do you think of theistic evolution? What if evolution is God's way of creating/sustaining life on Earth?

I'm a theist.... what do you think?:sarcastic

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