Awe and Wonder

[dybmh]

Are they? Fear seems... protective. Strong. But, I fear very little, so I think when fear comes in, its probably trying to move me out of the way because injury's coming.

Awe and fear are both in a special category, I've mentioned it, I think? Maybe not? They are non-existent beings. It's a paradox. Both Awe and Fear are consequences of the unknown. They are agnostic. They are feelings produced by the nearly infinite possible events occurring in the mind which cannot be known.

And hopefully @Fool is paying attention, because, these precious concepts, and contemplations, which are so meaningful to him are the opposite of Gnostic. Gnosticism sabotages them. That's why they always end in question marks. They are profoundly agnostic. That's what is giving the questions "loft" for lack of a better word.

The mind experiences a sort of up-lift from these contemplations if they are approached from a positive valence. When this happens, the "up-lifting" ( which is actually expansion ) the lightness that is felt, that IS enlightenment. That's what people experience, the sensation, when they are becoming enlightened. That's what the word means in English. The dharmic folks, I expect will object to this, because they have slaved over their enlightement, but, it doesn't need to be difficult or complicated. It happens every time a person laughs.

The point here, in particular, is that both awe and fear are empty, yet also simultaneously full. Technically, they are active and on-going in the mind+heart. They are emptying and filling simultaneously. And that's where magic comes from. Simultaneity. Coincidences. Symmetry.

 

[Fool]

Are they? Fear seems... protective. Strong. But, I fear very little, so I think when fear comes in, its probably trying to move me out of the way because injury's coming.

Awe... full of love.

fear is healthy in the correct place but when it's transferred upon another who is triggered by similarities it isn't necessarily.

like someone who was beaten by their father. not all father's are physically abusive.

some father's are loving but how does a child that has been conditioned to be fearful of a father find the way to climb over that wall?

 

[dybmh]

and i could kill you with my bare hands

You can't kill me, brother. We love each other far too much.

 

[dybmh]

Awe... full of love.

Yes. Awe full of love.

Awe is an empty vessel of sorts. Nearly infinite in its scope. Love is a physical manifestation of the "out-reaching" force inherent in the human mind+heart.

 

[osgart]

There's so many kinds of love ...

Which one am I supposed to fear?

True love of virtues...

Or Romance with passion?

All I know is when you love you have something to live for. Something to lose, something to gain.

So being on the wrong side of true love would be something to fear. The wrong side of that is depravity.

 

[Fool]

You can't kill me, brother. We love each other far too much.

the verse implies that the poet isn't free because once you love, you always will. even if you can't physically be together.


i get the idea that a great love was broken and possibly because of that experience he has rage that he would express if it weren't for love that held in bondage still. reminds me a bit of jane eyre


such is unconditional love


and with a heavy heart, he simply keeps moving along the path, but now alone.



the devil is in the details........................................

black box

 

[dybmh]

the verse implies that the poet isn't free because once you love, you always will. even if you can't physically be together.

yes. I agree with that.

i get the idea that a great love was broken

You just contradicted yourself.

"Once you love, you always will be" is contradicted by "a great love was broken"

 

[Fool]

You just contradicted yourself.

"Once you love, you always will be" is contradicted by "a great love was broken"

but the otherness as self has done something to put asunder. two can't work together as one, when one is adverse .

 

[dybmh]

but ...

No buts. There are no exceptions.

once you love, you always will

Always. There are no exceptions.

 

[Fool]

No buts. There are no exceptions.



Always. There are no exceptions.

you'll have to take that argument up with those who don't recognize other as self.


Robert Frobisher's suicide letter to Sixsmith

Sixsmith. I climb the steps of the Scot monument every morning and all becomes clear. Wish I could make you see this brightness. Don't worry, all is well. All is so perfectly, damnably well. I understand now that boundaries between noise and sound are conventions. All boundaries are conventions, waiting to be transcended. One may transcend any convention if only one can first conceive of doing so. Moments like this, I can feel your heart beating as clearly as I feel my own, and I know that separation is an illusion. My life extends far beyond the limitations of me.” - Cloud Atlas - David Mitchell





I will love you 'til the end of time
I would wait a million years
Promise you'll remember that you're mine
Baby, can you see through the tears?
Love you more
Than those *****es before
Say you'll remember (oh baby) say you'll remember, oh baby ooh
I will love you 'til the end of time
Big dreams, gangsta
Said you had to leave to start your life over
I was like, "No please, stay here"
We don't need no money, we can make it all work
But he headed out on Sunday, said he'd come home Monday
I stayed up waitin', anticipatin' and pacin' but he was
Chasing (oh oh) paper (oh oh)
Caught up in the game, that was the last I heard - Blue Jeans - Lana Del Rey

 

[dybmh]

you'll have to take that argument up with those who don't recognize other as self.

I am quoted you. If you want to change your mind, I'm listening:

once you love, you always will.

Is this ^^ true or false?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

the fear of love is the beginning of light? understanding? seeing?

Why would anyone be afraid of love? Love protects, nourishes, nurtures... We should welcome love wherever we find it.

 

[dybmh]

Why would anyone be afraid of love?

You have got to be joking. Love destroys marriages, starts feuds. Have you ever heard of a viscous love-triangle? How many divorces are caused by one of them falling in love with someone else? What about the children? The children often get left behind, because the man has fallen for a new sweetheart. And yes, it is really love that is breaking up that home.

We should welcome love wherever we find it.

Then say bye-bye to stable families and homes. That is terrible.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You have got to be joking. Love destroys marriages, starts feuds. Have you ever heard of a viscous love-triangle? How many divorces are caused by one of them falling in love with someone else? What about the children? The children often get left behind, because the man has fallen for a new sweetheart. And yes, it is really love that is breaking up that home.



Then say bye-bye to stable families and homes. That is terrible.

I'm not talking about Romantic love. Perhaps I should clarify.

Love is when you put someone's interest above your own. it is more than a feeling. It is more than an attraction.

Consider a single mom who comes home from a 9 hour workday and 2 hours on the freeway. All she wants to do is put her feet up and watch TV. But instead, she cooks dinner, feeds her kids, helps them with their homework, makes sure they are showered, and puts them to bed. She probably didn't particularly feel very loving. But what she did was IMHO the most real kind of love there is.

 

[JustGeorge]

You have got to be joking. Love destroys marriages, starts feuds. Have you ever heard of a viscous love-triangle? How many divorces are caused by one of them falling in love with someone else? What about the children? The children often get left behind, because the man has fallen for a new sweetheart. And yes, it is really love that is breaking up that home.



Then say bye-bye to stable families and homes. That is terrible.

I'm not talking about Romantic love. Perhaps I should clarify.

Love is when you put someone's interest above your own. it is more than a feeling. It is more than an attraction.

Consider a single mom who comes home from a 9 hour workday and 2 hours on the freeway. All she wants to do is put her feet up and watch TV. But instead, she cooks dinner, feeds her kids, helps them with their homework, makes sure they are showered, and puts them to bed. She probably didn't particularly feel very loving. But what she did was IMHO the most real kind of love there is.

I think the above example could be love. We're talking about all love here... and not all romantic love is based on simply attraction.

Even if it is not acted on, such love causes pain.

And then there's the love for those you watch spiral into destruction... those kids the single mom raised may go down the wrong road, may find illness. And then, more pain.

I definitely see where love is scary. Terrifying, even.

 

[dybmh]

I'm not talking about Romantic love. Perhaps I should clarify.

Love is when you put someone's interest above your own. it is more than a feeling. It is more than an attraction.

It still just as dangerous. You're not seeing the big picture.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I think the above example could be love. We're talking about all love here... and not all romantic love is based on simply attraction.

Even if it is not acted on, such love causes pain.

And then there's the love for those you watch spiral into destruction... those kids the single mom raised may go down the wrong road, may find illness. And then, more pain.

I definitely see where love is scary. Terrifying, even.

IMHO, "romantic love" is simply infatuation, what we call chemistry. It's when an attraction hijacks normal thought, obsesses about the person, and idealizes them. It makes for wonderful movies, but in real life it never lasts. To have an abiding love, a person must nurture it by caring for the other. Love is waking up in the morning and thinking, "What can I do today that will make their life a little nicer."

 

[IndigoChild5559]

It still just as dangerous. You're not seeing the big picture.

What you don't understand is that you are talking apples and I'm talking about oranges. Until you accept that I mean something quite different than you when I say "love," I'm going to continue coming across to you as "not seeing the whole picture."

 

[dybmh]

What you don't understand is that you are talking apples and I'm talking about oranges.

You're not talking about love. At least in the manner that the OP is talking about it. And that's why you don't understand the question being asked in this thread. At best, you are talking about a narrow subset of love which are healthy mutually beneficial kind relationships.

 

[dybmh]

when love has that hook in their nose..........................gotcha.

@IndigoChild5559 , see above.