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Awesome Netanyahu speech
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CMike
Well-Known Member
No one enables Hamas as effectively and persistently as Netanyahu.
See, for example: Two Bad Speeches — and Scant Hope for Peace.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Hmmm. There was a certain amount of perceptive critique in the article, but it was too overblown with the idea of presenting a perfect equivalence between the two speeches.
There were some areas in his speech I think Netanyahu could've been better at clarifying and presenting more evenhandedly; and I'm a little skeptical at his real eagerness for peace when he hasn't been very circumspect in demonstrating that eagerness with actions.
But overall I thought it was a pretty good speech, well-done. And a positive, though likely to be ignored, counterpoint to Abbas' speech, which was just a cesspit of trash-- deeply disappointing from someone who had been trying to position himself as the moderate and reasonable alternative to Hamas.
Alceste
Vagabond
Alceste
Vagabond
Levite
Higher and Higher
I'm not particularly a fan of Netanyahu-- or any other politician I can think of. I just thought it was a pretty decent speech.
Wow, it's a politician talking about politics and war. What a discovery.
Alceste
Vagabond
It's a politician speaking candidly. I have no interest in listening to politicians speak any other way. Later in that same clip he says he intends to take over 98% of Palestine and only ever give 2% back to Palestinians (which explains all the settlement expansion), but I couldn't be bothered to find the whole video. I'm pretty tired of this subject.
Alceste
Vagabond
Found it. After bragging about manipulating the US, he brags about breaking the Oslo Accord and then gives his ideal ratio of 2% of Palestine for Palestinians, 98% for Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7dw89jICTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7dw89jICTU
Levite
Higher and Higher
Aside from the fact that that video was rather questionably edited, it was also provided outside of context. It has been often stated by various Israeli administrations that a small percentage of currently Israeli land will have to be swapped for land currently deemed part of the West Bank. I believe that is what he was talking about, not reducing the Palestinian territory to two percent of its claimed area.
He was clearly talking about the Palestinians wanting all of Israel, from the river to the sea, and that he was adamant that they not get that. In service of that, he insisted that Oslo requirements be conditional upon Palestinian actions (which they never fulfilled, as he knew they would not), and he claimed that he would exercise Israel's right to deem any area a military institution (which he labeled a security zone) so as to ensure that Israeli armed forces would remain stationed in a future Palestinian State, presumably to ensure that no illegal buildup of paramilitary forces and accumulation of war machinery would take place.
Not the plan I would prefer or ideally support, but hardly diabolical.
In fact, it seems like it would only sound diabolical if one believed that the State of Israel had no right to exist, and there should only be a Palestinian state in its place....
Alceste
Vagabond
Your interpretation differs from mine. Mine has the advantage of explaining the unchecked expansion of the illegal settlements in Palestine, while yours does not, so I think I will stick with what I've got.
My contempt for Netanyahu has much more to do with the right of cruel, bigoted, warmongering thugs to rule than with Israel's right to exist.
… and trying to position himself as a viable alternative to an Hamas incessantly enabled by Netanyahu. You are fawning over a disgraceful cancer.
Levite
Higher and Higher
I am definitely not fawning over anyone. I disagree with a lot of what Netanyahu does, and if I lived in Israel, I probably wouldn't vote for him. But I thought it was a decent speech.
Abbas may have been trying to position himself as a viable alternative as Hamas, but did so not by distancing himself from Hamas' wickedness, but by reframing the same party lines that Hamas uses in language that was sometimes more diplomatic, and sometimes just the same thing. He lost any and all credibility he might have had when he accused Israel of "genocide" in Gaza.