Babies Born Racist?

[bobhikes]

They're also more likely to suffer strokes and lung cancer. Would taking such things into consideration make a doctor racist?

It is an interesting question of whether discernment equates to discrimination.

This has been studied and is wrong. Certain people of certain ethnic groups in certain specific locations have higher risks. If you average all french people from all of france there is no significant difference. Check the current scientific studies. They have all found location and ethnicity add to risks, not just ethnicity or just location.

It is easier for Doctors to run a test if even only 10% of the population is at risk because the test doesn't hurt the other 90%. Also it add to their finances.

 

[bobhikes]

I think there is confusion today on what the word 'racism' actually means.

If I believe African-Americans are on-average better genetically endowed to be basketball and football players than Japanese-Americans, am I a racist?

Yes, that would qualify.

 

[bobhikes]

How about we replace the now naughty word 'race' with 'historical ethnicity'. I haven't yet heard people say there is no such thing as 'ethnic' groups and even babies can tell the difference from just the most obvious external features.

I think the revulsion to cruelty on the basis of race has made it hard for many people to think logically about these subjects.

The studies actually show that Babies with parents that have blonde hair prefer blonde hair people. How is this ethnicity? How can they really prove that the baby prefers the person because of their supposed asian, african or european descent. Did they try blonde asian, red hair africans, Green eyed europeans?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

This has been studied and is wrong. Certain people of certain ethnic groups in certain specific locations have higher risks. If you average all french people from all of france there is no significant difference. Check the current scientific studies. They have all found location and ethnicity add to risks, not just ethnicity or just location.

It is easier for Doctors to run a test if even only 10% of the population is at risk because the test doesn't hurt the other 90%. Also it add to their finances.

2004: Stroke in a Biracial Population
2013: CDC - Lung Cancer Rates by Race and Ethnicity

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I guess since race doesn't exist, then racism must be a figment of our imaginations. I guess all the genocide, slavery, and other atrocities committed through human history, based on racial differences, must be some kind of giant conspiracy.

 

[bobhikes]

2004: Stroke in a Biracial Population
2013: CDC - Lung Cancer Rates by Race and Ethnicity

These studies do not indicate how or who determined race. They are not scientifically acurate. The government still uses an outdated system to determine race(which scientists say doesn't exist)

From a study on Race and Sports.
Second, it has become clear that race as a biological entity is a meaningless concept. Today, physical anthropologists and geneticists believe that there is as much genetic variability within what were once traditionally believed to be racial groups, as between them. Divergence of what once may have been more homogeneous grouping came about as a result of migrations and interbreeding of populations over thousands of years. Consequently, the concept of race has become meaningful only as a broad sociological concept. This is not to say that genetic makeup is unimportant as a basis for athletic excellence. This also does not infer that groups of people distributed around the world do not have advantages in certain athletic endeavors, as environment, culture, and heredity may be advantageous, in certain instances, for producing individuals with optimal height, weight, muscle structure, and temperament for excelling in a particular activity (e.g., Kenyans and distance running or Norwegians and cross-country skiing). The point, however, is that such groupings do not represent what is traditionally believed to be racial groups.

Link to the full report.
Race and Sport

 

[bobhikes]

I guess since race doesn't exist, then racism must be a figment of our imaginations. I guess all the genocide, slavery, and other atrocities committed through human history, based on racial differences, must be some kind of giant conspiracy.

Genocide, Slavery and all atrocities committed against humans that are done because of supposed racial differences could be harder to commit if we would all admit race does not exist.

 

[HexBomb]

Romani have a higher rate of phenylketonuria than people not in our ethnic group, across clans. So if we screen for nothing else, we screen for that, is that racist? No.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Genocide, Slavery and all atrocities committed against humans that are done because of supposed racial differences could be harder to commit if we would all admit race does not exist.

Okay, good luck with that. I suppose we could also stop hurricanes if yelling at the sky could control the weather.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope.

That article doesn't even convince me that babies are born with a racial bias, much less being born racist.

(That's the short answer. )

Shhhhhhhh!
Don't tell anyone, but I'm also unconvinced.

 

[Revoltingest]

Okay, good luck with that. I suppose we could also stop hurricanes if yelling at the sky could control the weather.

It works here in Michiganistan.
(But not on snowstorms.)

 

[bobhikes]

Okay, good luck with that. I suppose we could also stop hurricanes if yelling at the sky could control the weather.

Don't need luck hurricanes are natural, race isn't even real thing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There is no such thing as "race". It's a pseudo-scientific social construct. There are ethnic groups which have developed certain phenotypes due to environmental adaptations but the differences are miniscule. Genetic science now tells us that there's more variations within groups than between them. We're more alike than we are different.

 

[metis]

When we were camping in the U.P. about 35 years ago, our youngest daughter, who was maybe around eight at the time, had befriended an African-American girl at the campground. After a few days, our daughter came up to my wife and I and asked how that other girl got such a nice tan?

Young kids don't seem to get hung up on such matters.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

These studies do not indicate how or who determined race. They are not scientifically acurate. The government still uses an outdated system to determine race(which scientists say doesn't exist)

If the study is based on self-identification, it would be addressing ethnicity, which race is on a grander scale.

Play with definitions all you want. Race, as a group of individuals with similar genetic traits due to millennia of mixing similar bloodlines, is still valid for genetic research. We're not homogenized that well.

 

[bobhikes]

If the study is based on self-identification, it would be addressing ethnicity, which race is on a grander scale.

Play with definitions all you want. Race, as a group of individuals with similar genetic traits due to millennia of mixing similar bloodlines, is still valid for genetic research. We're not homogenized that well.

You are wrong about race check today's scientific research. I can bring out a lot of data supporting the fact but just think about it.

Your saying that if I collected data on 100000 European males in New Jersey. I would have statistical significant data for the 10000 European males living in Montana or Hawaii. If I put all that statistical information together I would have valid information on the European Males in Germany. All this is done by sight or a personal category of which there are only a few.

I have 2 Sons one looks like me and one looks like my wife's family. In your mind My wife and I would be classified different races. If you were to look at my sons how could you apply your racial stereotypes. There are plenty more humans that qualified as mixed race by your standard, what do we do about these humans. Will they eventually become a new race or join an existing race. I know they don't statistically matter.

Check my photos if you don't believe me.

 

[Sunstone]

Where's Painted Wolf when we need her?

 

[Father Heathen]

Study: Babies Show Racial Bias « CBS Seattle
People love to say that racism is a learned thing, perhaps hoping that it
might be cured completely some day by our just becoming more advanced.
Does the above linked study dash such hope?

Babies don't have a concept of "race", but I imagine they would be apprehensive of anything unfamiliar to them.

 

[George-ananda]

I think there is confusion today on what the word 'racism' actually means.

If I believe African-Americans are on-average better genetically endowed to be basketball and football players than Japanese-Americans, am I a racist?

Yes, that would qualify.

Then I'm content to be a racist in your mind.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then I'm content to be a racist in your mind.

Do you have any studies proving your opinion on that?