Backlash against Politically Correct

[Subhankar Zac]

What evidence? Evidence that you don't know what you're talking about? I see plenty of that.

And here comes the child's play... Speak substance or stop making people sell Kashmir to Pakistan, because a few JNU students support free speech in the guise of threats and terrorism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And here comes the child's play... Speak substance or stop making people sell Kashmir to Pakistan, because a few JNU students support free speech in the guise of threats and terrorism.

What? I don't even know what the **** you're talking about. You're just going off on a tangent. Stop being so blindly furious for a second and focus.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

What? I don't even know what the **** you're talking about. You're just going off on a tangent. Stop being so blindly furious for a second and focus.

Focus went outside the ******* window when the other one denied all possible evidences as hogwash and has a mindset that can't handle simple logic if it is against the left hypocritical mass murderers.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Focus went outside the ******* window when the other one denied all possible evidences as hogwash and has a mindset that can't handle simple logic if it is against the left hypocritical mass murderers.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

No need to cover your head in shame. It's not like you're goung to learn anything from it though.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No need to cover your head in shame. It's not like you're goung to learn anything from it though.

I'm not feeling any shame, more like embarrassment for you. Tsk tsk.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

I'm not feeling any shame, more like embarrassment for you. Tsk tsk.

Not all of us can't afford to give up basic reasoning to left and right dogmas and be biased on purpose just for our agendas

 

[Revoltingest]

I think it's just that so many people have had to bite their tongues for so long that they've lost their sense of taste.

It appears that we need better definition of "politically correct".
I say....
It's when civil & rational speech is curbed in order not to offend people too easily offended or actively seeking offense.
It can be:
- Avoidance of discussing a topic entirely
- Replacing benign terminology with awkward new ones

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There is so much bull**** that has been part of being "politically correct", so much dishonesty and so much insincerity. And people have recognised truth for quite some time now. But what has been bothering me more and more lately is how much bull**** there is in politically incorrect speech.

I think somehow people have come to the conclusion that since there is so much dishonesty in politically correct speech, that anything that is politically incorrect must, by comparison, be true. Many people feel on some almost instinctual level people feel that if something is stated in a polite diplomatic way that it must be dishonest, and if something is rude it must be true.

And the irony is that this gut reaction that many people feel is being exploited by some to deceive them. The feeling that someone is finally "telling it like it is" is so appealing after so much sanitised pablum. But are they really "telling it like it is", or have they just found a different way to deceive?

I just want to implore people to keep looking for the bull****, whether it is the pleasant safe diplomatic bull**** of the politically correct, or the ugly hateful bigoted bull**** of the politically incorrect.

I have a rather different impression: IMO, the vast majority of political correctness is just a matter of treating people with respect and calling out a-holeish behaviour for what it is.

I think that most of the complaints about political correctness are either focused on extreme examples or make out political correctness to be something other than it is. For instance, I see plenty of stuff on Facebook these days complaining about the idea of "trigger warnings". I have several friends who have been through rape; there's no way that anyone who actually cares about them would want them to re-live that. I have a very hard time seeing complaints about "trigger warnings" as anything other than complaining about having to be considerate toward people.

If someone feels as uncomfortable making a sexist, racist, or anti-LGBT joke as they made other people feel back when they thought these were okay, so what? I'd say the situation is improved.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It appears that we need better definition of "politically correct".
I say....
It's when civil & rational speech is curbed in order not to offend people too easily offended or actively seeking offense.
It can be:
- Avoidance of discussing a topic entirely
- Replacing benign terminology with awkward new ones

I say that "politically correct" is when we insist that speech that purports to be civil should actually be civil.

 

[Revoltingest]

I say that "politically correct" is when we insist that speech that purports to be civil should actually be civil.

No.
That's ordinary civility.
PC is when people can't use the word "niggardly" to describe a cheapskate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_"niggardly"

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No.
That's ordinary civility.
PC is when people can't use the word "niggardly" to describe a cheapskate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_"niggardly"

A better example of PC: putting "trigger warning" at the top of an article likely to trigger PTSD-related issues in a survivor of violence.

 

[Revoltingest]

A better example of PC: putting "trigger warning" at the top of an article likely to trigger PTSD-related issues in a survivor of violence.

A better example of "trigger warning" PC:
Warning students that they'll encounter political views they disagree with.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

BTW: I have to point out that I called it:

I think that most of the complaints about political correctness are either focused on extreme examples or make out political correctness to be something other than it is.

PC is when people can't use the word "niggardly" to describe a cheapskate.

 

[McBell]

It appears that we need better definition of "politically correct".
I say....
It's when civil & rational speech is curbed in order not to offend people too easily offended or actively seeking offense.
It can be:
- Avoidance of discussing a topic entirely
- Replacing benign terminology with awkward new ones

The problem is that PC has turned into "do not speak the truth at all because someone might get offended".

Liars are not to be called liars.
Bigots are not to be called bigots.
Racists are not to be called racists.
Thieves are not to be called thieves.
The list goes on and on....

 

[Revoltingest]

The problem is that PC has turned into "do not speak the truth at all because someone might get offended".

Liars are not to be called liars.
Bigots are not to be called bigots.
Racists are not to be called racists.
Thieves are not to be called thieves.
The list goes on and on....

I don't see it that way.
People are called "liar" most of the time simply because someone disagrees with them.
They presume that their own opinion on a matter is fact, & that the other knowingly denies this.
This problem isn't about political correctness.

Regarding bigotry, calling others "bigot" is rampant.
The PC effect is when bigotry is called when there is none, based solely upon non-conformance with PC language requirements.

 

[McBell]

I don't see it that way.
People are called "liar" most of the time simply because someone disagrees with them.
They presume that their own opinion on a matter is fact, & that the other knowingly denies this.
This problem isn't about political correctness.

Regarding bigotry, calling others "bigot" is rampant.
The PC effect is when bigotry is called when there is non, based upon non-conformance with PC language requirements.

which has nothing to do with my point.
If someone is being called a liar who has not lied then they are not a liar.
I specifically said calling a liar a liar is not allowed.
It is not allowed right here on RF....

That is my problem with PC.

 

[Revoltingest]

which has nothing to do with my point.
If someone is being called a liar who has not lied then they are not a liar.
I specifically said calling a liar a liar is not allowed.
It is not allowed right here on RF....

That is my problem with PC.

This reinforces my earlier understanding.....or misunderstanding.
Avoiding calling someone a liar doesn't fall within the phenomenon of PC (IMO).

 

[McBell]

This reinforces my earlier understanding.....or misunderstanding.
Avoiding calling someone a liar doesn't fall within the phenomenon of PC (IMO).

I am not talking about merely avoiding calling a liar a liar.
I am talking about not being allowed to call a liar a liar.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am not talking about merely avoiding calling a liar a liar.
I am talking about not being allowed to call a liar a liar.

It's a good thing.
But it's just the RF rules....not a general PC thingie.
Many here want to call me one, but dance around it using other terms.
They're always wrong because I really do believe some of the bizarre things I post.
But it's permissible to call politicians "liar".
I see that all the time.