Baha'i and Messengers

[ppp]

Science is never going to prove that God exists, that's just silly.
The Baha'i belief is that God is unknowable, so how could there ever be proof of God?

I love that you claim to know so much about the unknowable.

 

[lukethethird]

I love that you claim to know so much about the unknowable.

We need more people that know all about the unknowable.

 

[ppp]

We need more people that know all about the unknowable.

I know!

 

[F1fan]

So you believe anyways, do you get a badge?

I believe it's true, so how can I possibly be wrong?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So according to good science, the sun cannot move any closer to earth, to do so would be the end of life as we know it, also to look directly at the sun we need a filter.

So when it is offered that spiritually, the same laws are applicable, why is this then poor logic?

God does not descend into creation, thus a Messenger is sent. The Messenger is clothed in a body that filters us from the rays that would render us blind.

Only those that look through that filter will see the rays of the sun.

That is sound and logical reasoning. John 1:18 shows this.

"No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."

Regards Tony

Yeah, yeah. Poor Tony. It's always someone else's failure. Story of your life.

I note you did not offer a reply to this post.

Regards Tony

 

[lukethethird]

I believe it's true, so how can I possibly be wrong?

You can't be wrong, it's only those other religions and believers that get it wrong.

 

[Trailblazer]

Are you suggesting it doesn't exist?

No, I am suggesting that science can never prove that God exists.

And why should we even accept what believers claim about any God? It's unknowable, and if a believer claims to know something, it is a lie.

The Essence of God is unknowable but we can know some of the attributes of God and will of God through the Messengers, although God is sanctified above all attributes and holy above all names.

 

[Trailblazer]

So you believe anyways, do you get a badge?

No, there is no badge, just eternal life.

 

[Trailblazer]

I love that you claim to know so much about the unknowable.

I do not know very much, only some attributes and the will of God.

 

[lukethethird]

No, I am suggesting that science can never prove that God exists.

The Essence of God is unknowable but we can know some of the attributes of God and will of God through the Messengers, although God is sanctified above all attributes and holy above all names.

These messengers of God that failed to bring about the world peace that they promised to deliver, they legit?

 

[Trailblazer]

Yeah, yeah. Poor Tony. It's always someone else's failure. Story of your life.

You know Tony's life?

 

[lukethethird]

No, there is no badge, just eternal life.

You mean the promise of eternal life.

 

[F1fan]

No, I am suggesting that science can never prove that God exists.

That is a huge liability for theists.

Hit the iceberg. Don't bother using the lifeboats.

The Essence of God is unknowable

Assuming any god exists, which you can't know.

but we can know some of the attributes of God and will of God through the Messengers

But how can you know attributes of something you don't know exists?

it's like saying unicorns have shiny hair. How would you know?

Even the messengers don't know since you said God is unknowable, so they are included.

although God is sanctified above all attributes and holy above all names.

Which is a guess since God is unknowable. So we reject this claim.

 

[Trailblazer]

You mean the promise of eternal life.

God always keeps His promises if we keep ours.

 

[lukethethird]

God always keeps His promises if we keep ours.

Oh yeah, the 'if' of the matter, if only...

What is the point in this believing, does it go anywhere?

 

[Trailblazer]

That is a huge liability for theists.

Hit the iceberg. Don't bother using the lifeboats.

It is not a liability at all because we know that God exists.
Anyone who would expect scientific proof of God knows nothing about God.

Assuming any god exists, which you can't know.

I do know, but how I know is not something you can understand.

But how can you know attributes of something you don't know exists?

it's like saying unicorns have shiny hair. How would you know?

Even the messengers don't know since you said God is unknowable, so they are included.

I do know that God exists. The Messengers also know that God exists. What nobody can ever know, not even the Messengers, is the Essence of God. The Essence of God is God’s intrinsic nature, things such as what God is comprised of, how and where God exists, how God functions.

Which is a guess since God is unknowable. So we reject this claim.

It is a belief and since you do not hold the belief of course you reject it.

 

[Trailblazer]

What is the point in this believing, does it go anywhere?

I not only believe, I know. Do you really think I would devote my life to something I did not know exists?

 

[lukethethird]

I not only believe, I know. Do you really think I would devote my life to something I did not know exists?

So you claim to know what is unknowable and you have devoted your life to that?

 

[Trailblazer]

So you claim to know what is unknowable and you have devoted your life to that?

The existence of God is not unknowable, only the intrinsic nature of God is unknowable.

 

[ppp]

You know Tony's life?

Interesting that you ignored the same on his post. Nah, not interesting. Your partisanship is trivially expected.