Bahai is correct about God in my opinion

[England my lionheart]

In appearance yes. But we do not know everything. There is much more than just this existence. There is so much we cannot explain so to just write off the existence of a supreme Being would be I think presumptuous.

I agree we shouldn’t write anything off.

 

[CG Didymus]

This is why man is in need of an Educator. As we struggle between our higher and lower self. We need the guide to show us what the higher self is.

That is the Messenger who is that perfect reflection

The "perfect" and trustworthy messenger... who claims to speak for an invisible God.

Your messenger's bigotry is far from perfect, so given I can figure out that bigotry is bad all by myself perhaps it is gods and messengers that are the problem with the ignorant and immoral.

But then, like with so many "organized" religions, parts of the message aren't all that perfect sounding.

Our own self can be very deceiving.

I would suggest, that to say one knows more than the Creator, is the greatest self deception possible.

And what is the answer? For believers it is this... who knows better God or yourself. So, people follow religious laws. Maybe Baha'is don't think their laws are that bad, but what about some of the laws other religions put into practice? Stoning, burning, drowning, whipping, cutting off hands... is that what God really decreed? And before you say that some of these punishments were added in by religious leaders and were not from God, here's two Bible verses that call for the death penalty for being a medium or for having gay sex.

Leviticus 20:27 Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.’

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.​

 

[F1fan]

The "perfect" and trustworthy messenger... who claims to speak for an invisible God.

But then, like with so many "organized" religions, parts of the message aren't all that perfect sounding.

The question is why does the bigotry of Baha'i offend my moral sense, but not to the Baha'i?

I just posted about the Milgram studies on another thread, and it is astounding that otherwise good people will accept and use immoral beliefs and attitudes in a self-serving way.

I was watching the movie Stalingrad a few nights ago and there was a scene where some German soldiers were ordered to execute some Russian citizens. One of the citizens was a Russian boy the unit knew and who was helping them. The officer didn't care, and the unit refused to shoot. The officer then threatened the unit with execution themselves if they did not shoot. A direct order. What would any of us do in that situation?

The unit killed them all, some with tears in their eyes. This is the world ruled by God. All the Gods, whichever one thinks exists. The Gods are exempt from accountability, and the believers are exempt from their poor choice of God.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Bahais believe in God of Abraham. They believe God of abraham is the universal God. And that God has no spesific religion.

I agree with this,

Do you agree or disagree?

I can't help but wonder what your belief, or Baha'i belief, or anybody else's belief has to do with truth, if none of you have anything other than your beliefs.

Being "correct" means having some way to demonstrate that you are, in fact, correct.

 

[CG Didymus]

I agree we shouldn’t write anything off.

But what does it mean when a member of a religion says that? Do they mean that they also should keep an open mind and not write anything off?

 

[CG Didymus]

The question is why does the bigotry of Baha'i offend my moral sense, but not to the Baha'i?

I just posted about the Milgram studies on another thread, and it is astounding that otherwise good people will accept and use immoral beliefs and attitudes in a self-serving way.

I was watching the movie Stalingrad a few nights ago and there was a scene where some German soldiers were ordered to execute some Russian citizens. One of the citizens was a Russian boy the unit knew and who was helping them. The officer didn't care, and the unit refused to shoot. The officer then threatened the unit with execution themselves if they did not shoot. A direct order. What would any of us do in that situation?

The unit killed them all, some with tears in their eyes. This is the world ruled by God. All the Gods, whichever one thinks exists. The Gods are exempt from accountability, and the believers are exempt from their poor choice of God.

As we know from that thread on homosexuality, that Baha'is are expected to obey the laws of their religion and not question them. Just because they don't have some kind of harsh punishment doesn't mean that those people that were or are Baha'is and also homosexual, didn't feel pain and suffered from the way some people in their religion treated them. Yet, as we know, the judgement is from the Baha'i God and can't be changed. The gay Baha'is must be the ones that change their behavior in order to remain in good standing in the Faith.

 

[joelr]

There are answers to all of those questions that still leave us with a God who is behind all the religions.

Well first you didn't answer even one of the questions. But no, there is no evidence of a theistic God. Period. None. There is absolutely no God behind any religion. Not in the evidence.

 

[England my lionheart]

But what does it mean when a member of a religion says that? Do they mean that they also should keep an open mind and not write anything off?

I doubt that it means the same,they’re chosen or indoctrinated,inherited religion has parameters,especially the Abrahmics but an open mind would be good imo.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well first you didn't answer even one of the questions. But no, there is no evidence of a theistic God. Period. None. There is absolutely no God behind any religion. Not in the evidence.

Why would I bother to answer them given you are already convinced that there is no evidence of a theistic God and absolutely no God behind any religion? I have no interest in trying to convince anyone of what I believe.

 

[joelr]

Why would I bother to answer them given you are already convinced that there is no evidence of a theistic God and absolutely no God behind any religion? I have no interest in trying to convince anyone of what I believe.

I don't care what you believe, I care what is true and what is reasonable to believe based on good evidence.

I am not convinced of anything. I am convinced that I have not seen even a remote shred of evidence to back up any religious or supernatural claims. I am convinced that people will believe false things for a variety of reasons and fail to see what they are doing.

I am always interested in evidence if it's reasonable. It isn't my fault that apologetics are pseudo-scientific, anecdotal stories that only convince people who are already looking to believe.

Also if you are going to bother to say there are plenty of reasons to believe in a theistic God than I don't see why you wouldn't list at least the best one? You are giving statements that you haven't backed up. I'm also not the only person reading the posts.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't care what you believe, I care what is true and what is reasonable to believe based on good evidence.

I am not convinced of anything. I am convinced that I have not seen even a remote shred of evidence to back up any religious or supernatural claims. I am convinced that people will believe false things for a variety of reasons and fail to see what they are doing.

I am always interested in evidence if it's reasonable. It isn't my fault that apologetics are pseudo-scientific, anecdotal stories that only convince people who are already looking to believe.

Also if you are going to bother to say there are plenty of reasons to believe in a theistic God than I don't see why you wouldn't list at least the best one? You are giving statements that you haven't backed up. I'm also not the only person reading the posts.

You will have to determine for yourself what is true and what is reasonable to believe based on what you consider to be good evidence.
The *best reason* to believe in a theistic God is the Messengers sent by that God.

 

[joelr]

You will have to determine for yourself what is true and what is reasonable to believe based on what you consider to be good evidence.
The *best reason* to believe in a theistic God is the Messengers sent by that God.

Then there is no good reason. The "messengers" wrote a page of completely wrong science. Failed to give one single piece of future medical knowledge or technology which could have saved millions from suffering. Failed to demonstrate in any way that this is a God and can give us scientific, philosophical, accurate future information, give super powers to the messenger (as older religious text ALWAYS say), method for all nations to unite. By demonstrating godly powers in that age people may have been convinced and actually tried to take this seriously.
Instead it looks exactly like how a man who was not being honest but was a good writer would look. Does this deity find it funny to leave people either baffled or completely uninterested as the billions of Muslims, Christians and other religious people are? Or is he just a really bad dude?
A man who writes a bunch of platitudes, worship language and bad science is not a messenger of any God.

And the evidence for a theistic God still remains zero.

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'messenger" isn't evidence for a God EVEN IF HE HAD GOOD MESSAGES. If he wrote really compelling material and you wonder how he did it, the answer isn't "we don't know so therefore it must be supernatural". That isn't how evidence works. He could be a genius? The text could strike you as exceptional. None of that means supernatural.
But the text is not great. Not at all.

Evidence for a theistic God is a theistic God intervening in the world. There is no evidence. People being gullible and not demanding good evidence is not good evidence.

 

[Muffled]

Bahais believe in God of Abraham. They believe God of abraham is the universal God. And that God has no spesific religion.

I agree with this,

Do you agree or disagree?

I believe God's plan at this time is Christianity. Bahais do not qualify.

 

[Muffled]

Of course I agree because I am a Baha'i.
I am a Baha'i mostly because the teachings make logical sense to me.

I believe that isn't saying much.

 

[Muffled]

A Baha'i will offer that God is Unconstrained.

Regards Tony

I believe there are a few in Jesus.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I believe there are a few in Jesus.

I would offer many still say they talk in Jesus "Name", and have made of themselves an equal partner with Jesus.

I see Christ has long since been neglected. Which makes me consider another OP.

I will take this to another OP, that none suffer more than the Messengers.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe God's plan at this time is Christianity. Bahais do not qualify.

I believe God's plan at this time is the Baha'i Faith. Christians do not qualify.

 

[Hawkins]

Bahais believe in God of Abraham. They believe God of abraham is the universal God. And that God has no spesific religion.

I agree with this,

Do you agree or disagree?

Disagree.

The big picture is, humans mostly rely on human testimony to get to a truth.
If the US government has an crucial message for its citizens, the most efficient way for such a message to convey is through our mass media established. They receive information from the government representative then broadcast it to the public. They thus bears the responsibility to confirm the identity of this government representative, and to examine how credible his story is regarding to information tied to the message. Sometimes, a government can exclusively select a specific media to serve this purpose, it can choose CNN as its exclusive source of governmental announcements.

Similarly, God needs a mass media which is His chosen people Israel (i.e., God's exclusive CNN). Israel bears the responsibility of identifying God's representative which which the prophets for God's message to convey to His Elect. Secular authorities won't be able to convey such a message. God has to exclusively choose His own mass media, which primarily is Israel. Later this media is switched from the Jews to Christians as the Jews failed to do the job. US government can also make such a switch, say from CNN to Fox News in the case that CNN failed to its job.

 

[shivsomashekhar]

So do you think God being the judge makes a religion not universal? Do you think that Hinduism is a universal religion? Do you think reincarnation is more fair?

I see them as two entirely different belief sets - with no intersection. One does not have the concept of reincarnation and the other does not have the concept of judgement.

And therefore, neither of them can be considered Universal.

 

[Trailblazer]

I see them as two entirely different belief sets - with no intersection. One does not have the concept of reincarnation and the other does not have the concept of judgement.

And therefore, neither of them can be considered Universal.

What do we mean by universal?

universal: including or covering all or a whole collectively or distributively without limit or exception. especially : available equitably to all members of a society. universal health coverage. : present or occurring everywhere.Nov 20, 2022
Universal Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

The Baha'i Faith is by definition universal, since it was revealed by Baha'u'llah to the entire world.
Whether it is universally accepted and believed is another matter.