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Ban lifted on openly Transgender people serving in the US Military
- Thread starter Laika
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I would have expected the military to be a place transgendered people avoided for that reason. I would have expected it to be hellacious for them.
According to this article, there are currently approximately 2,500 transgendered military personnel on active duty at this time. http://www.voanews.com/content/pent...pen-service-military-transgender/3399090.html
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
They should be allowed out of principle, even if it would be a horrible choice.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Freakin' insane. I think most people have lost sight of what the military is. It is not a lab for social experimentation, the military exists for the most basic of reasons: to kill people and to blow things up. In the heat of a fire fight we do not need young troops worried about political correctness or social justice, we need them to consistently pull the trigger until the enemy is dead or neutralized. When you introduce such a disruptive and totally unnecessary distraction such as this it weakens the over effectiveness of our armed forces. There is a word from Viet Nam that may put this in perspective--fraggin'. Of course this is my humble opinion only.
I wonder how long it will take before someone challenges because it's on Fox News?
You're wrong there, bub.
While that's not it's purpose, it has certainly become one of its functions.
They even let black folk serve now.
It's true!
I have proof!
Dam. You found me out!
(Lol. Didn't notice that as I pulled the clip straight from YouTube- the guardian videos don't work as links for RF).
I'm going to remember that you cite Fox News!
Booowhahahhahahahhhahahaahhahah, etc!
And you believe the sexual alignment of an individual impacts their ability to pull the trigger?
I only cite them if they support MY views. Any other time, they are right-wing nutter butters with no credibility.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
You've missed the point, and, with all due respect, I doubt if I can explain it to you if you don't know what I am talking about (I know how this sounds, btw).
I think I understand your point. But when an individual is in combat, I don't think they care about sexual alignment. They want to survive and complete their objective. Period. The same arguments you are making were also used when talking about women, homosexuals and African Americans joining the military. They were just as shallow then as they are now.
I wanted to join the military when I was younger.
Wah wah wah. That's the same argument bigots used against racial integration, women in the military and letting gays, lesbians and bisexuals serve openly. Get over it.
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I'm against transgenders and women in the military for the same reason: safety. Battles are not going to always have lines and I find it absolutely terrible on our part to endanger people who our enemies would take extra special time being cruel to. Sounds cute on paper, but in practice I just think it's a freaking stupid policy. What's next? 13 year olds? I mean, sure there people who can hold their own regardless of sex/gender on the battlefield, but it's when things go wrong that it is troubling for me. Most of the countries that we have as enemies are pretty misogynistic and are likely to treat men more fairly.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
It's not Fox News, it's a news network on a local Fox affiliate.
It still has that provocative logo.
I couldn't serve in the military in the first place because I have psychiatric conditions.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's not opinion when you point out the truth of the matter. :0)
The purpose of the military, lest other people forget, and agreed, is to defensively or offensively kill people. Period.
Another saying from Nam I remember....."It don't mean a thing.. .."
Since when are people in general treated "fairly" during war? Whoever obliterates their enemy the most, and first, wins. Simple. Everyone is treated horribly.
If we were fighting in places which were highly racist towards a particular ethnicity would you then be against that race enlisting? We had lots of ethnic Jews fighting in WW2. Would you have discouraged that? Why should we let the attitudes of the enemy dictate who we should allow to enlist?
Also, I don't view the 13 year old example as comparable. That's a matter of ability to provide informed consent, which women and transgendered can clearly do.