Ban on guns with serial numbers removed is unconstitutional -U.S. judge

[Audie]

Not sure what you're getting at.

What was the point of your post?
I'm saying the " different directions" isn't
very meaningful.

 

[Kenny]

So, why should we make it easier plus make it more difficult to trace for the police? Do you really think Jesus would sanction this if he were here with us?

I'm just saying that it really doesn't make much of a difference. In this case, a criminal is a criminal serial number or no serial number. S

For the purpose of locating the FBI cache that was sold to Mexican Cartels and smuggled back into our country it would be a good thing. (How's that for being the waves of the sea tossed by the wind?)

There is a natural serial number too. The markings of the bullet as it comes out of a barrel.

I don't know about Jesus. I don't think he would say "Make sure every sword has a serial number"

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes... totalitarianism does produce a measure of safety. I believe no guns were allowed for the citizenry in Germany before the Holocaust.

Totalitarianism?
You think it's totalitarian to have gun regulations??

 

[metis]

I'm just saying that it really doesn't make much of a difference. In this case, a criminal is a criminal serial number or no serial number. S

It makes it easier for the criminal to get away without being caught which is why they seek "ghost guns" and erase serial numbers.

I don't know about Jesus. I don't think he would say "Make sure every sword has a serial number"

Or how about "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword" and that we are to "Be as wise as serpents but as harmless as doves"?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Totalitarianism?
You think it's totalitarian to have gun regulations??

Right wing extremists will say things that at best should be hyperbole but isn't. In fact they do not understand the concept of hyperbole since most failed geometry

 

[Kenny]

It makes it easier for the criminal to get away without being caught which is why they seek "ghost guns" and erase serial numbers.



Or how about "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword" and that we are to "Be as wise as serpents but as harmless as doves"?

I am all for peace!!!!!!

I am all for stopping criminals. And "if" they make a law that says "guns must have a serial number" - I would be for that too.

But we must be wise as serpents, as you said:

John the Baptist, the forerunner of Jesus, didn't say "Soldiers, leave your weapons. Even Jesus said "Get a sword".

Romans 12:18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.

When possible, seek peaceful solutions. But with a Hitler, it was impossible.

What is it said about when the Messiah comes back to earth to deal with those who are enemies?

 

[We Never Know]

It makes it easier for the criminal to get away without being caught which is why they seek "ghost guns" and erase serial numbers.



Or how about "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword" and that we are to "Be as wise as serpents but as harmless as doves"?

Yep all guns without serial numbers are "ghost guns". Ghost guns can't be traced and that's why they are preferred by criminals.

 

[metis]

And "if" they make a law that says "guns must have a serial number" - I would be for that too.

If they are sold after Oct. 22, 1968, in the U.S. they must have serial numbers

John the Baptist, the forerunner of Jesus, didn't say "Soldiers, leave your weapons. Even Jesus said "Get a sword".

And what did Jesus tell Peter when he brandished it?

BTW, these swords are not like the English ones of old, but typically are a foot to foot & 1/2 in length, and I've seen a couple of them in the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. They like the early Jewish equivalent of a "Swiss Army Knife" as they were used for all sorts of duties.

When possible, seek peaceful solutions. But with a Hitler, it was impossible.

So, you would abandon what Jesus taught because of someone else's actions? Did Jesus ask his disciples to arm and defend him when he was soon to be crucified?

BTW, in the first three centuries of the Church, it was forbidden to be involved in any kind of military activity.

What is it said about when the Messiah comes back to earth to deal with those who are enemies?

Judgment does not mean nor imply that those who do evil will be let off the hook for their actions, but we should not try and be the Judge of such actions, imo.

 

[Wildswanderer]

One step forward and two steps back.

I'm an avid gun owner and I think this is crazy.

"A federal judge in West Virginia has ruled that a federal ban on possessing a gun with its serial number removed is unconstitutional, the first such ruling since the U.S. Supreme Court dramatically expanded gun rights in June.

U.S. District Judge Joseph Goodwin in Charleston on Wednesday found that the law was not consistent with the United States' "historical tradition of firearm regulation," the new standard laid out by the Supreme Court in its landmark ruling.

The decision came in a criminal case charging a man, Randy Price, with illegally possessing a gun with the serial number removed that was found in his car. The judge dismissed that charge, though Price is still charged with illegally possessing the gun after being convicted of previous felonies.

Price's lawyer, Lex Coleman, called the decision "thoughtful, measured and accurate." A spokesperson for the office of U.S. Attorney William Thompson in Charleston, which is prosecuting the case, said the office was "reviewing the ruling and assessing options."

Ban on guns with serial numbers removed is unconstitutional -U.S. judge

How could you possibly own an old gun under this law? Why should it be illegal?

 

[Kenny]

If they are sold after Oct. 22, 1968, in the U.S. they must have serial numbers

And I'm good with that!!

And what did Jesus tell Peter when he brandished it?

BTW, these swords are not like the English ones of old, but typically are a foot to foot & 1/2 in length, and I've seen a couple of them in the Israel Museum in Jerusalem. They like the early Jewish equivalent of a "Swiss Army Knife" as they were used for all sorts of duties.

He didn't say "throw it away"

So, you would abandon what Jesus taught because of someone else's actions? Did Jesus ask his disciples to arm and defend him when he was soon to be crucified?

BTW, in the first three centuries of the Church, it was forbidden to be involved in any kind of military activity.

I'm not too sure about that

Ancient Roman Soldiers

Judgment does not mean nor imply that those who do evil will be let off the hook for their actions, but we should not try and be the Judge of such actions, imo.

Correct!!

But I never said "judge". Stopping evil isn't "judging a person" - it is stopping an action.

 

[metis]

How could you possibly own an old gun under this law? Why should it be illegal?

"Do you need a serial number for a non NFA firearm?

A dealer buying or selling a non-NFA firearm made before 1968 and without a serial number need only record “Made prior to 1968, no serial number” or “NSN” in the serial number space on his transaction record. Unless there is a state or local requirement, he need not apply a number or obtain a number from the police or BATFE."

 

[metis]

He didn't say "throw it away"

Again, this ignores the other verses, plus the sword was used for a lot of different purposes.

I'm not too sure about that

Ancient Roman Soldiers

Oops, my mistake as it was 200 years, not 300.

An absolutely excellent source on this and numerous other early Church teachings is "Tradition In the Early Church" by Dr. Hanson [Anglican], and it's FINALLY available at Amazon.

But I never said "judge". Stopping evil isn't "judging a person" - it is stopping an action.

Again, what were Jesus' actions and his teachings?

IMO, the Amish, Mennonite, and other "peace churches" have it right, and my church has it wrong. Jesus did not advocate the use of deadly violence-- period.

 

[Valjean]

When deontology trumps consequentialism, this is the sort of socially deleterious legislation you must expect.

 

[Stevicus]

What was the point of your post?
I'm saying the " different directions" isn't
very meaningful.

I was just taking note of the legal argument which was used here, regarding "historical tradition." Such an argument can be used any number of ways in any number of legal situations.

 

[Audie]

I was just taking note of the legal argument which was used here, regarding "historical tradition." Such an argument can be used any number of ways in any number of legal situations.

I have to disagree.

" Any modern regulation that does.not
comprt with the historical understanding
of the right is to be considered unconstitutional"

How would that be used in "different ways"?

It's just about precedent.
Precedent does not self contradict.