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Be Afraid, be very afraid
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BSM1
What? Me worry?
What a bunch of eco-knee-jerk bs. Nowhere in that article does it ever say how much the globe has warmed up over the last few years (or ever). If this "global warming" was so prevalent you would think there would be at least a few hard facts you could put your hands on. If you rely on the sketchy chart on the side you might, just might, believe the ambient temperature has risen maybe less than 8/10ths of one degree C since 1880. Kind of an anti-climatic doomsday if you ask me.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Oh, I see, so all these scientists in NOAA, NASA, the U.S. Defense Department, the NAS, and other science facilities that ave concluded much the same throughout the world are just "eco-knee-jerk" bsers. But you somehow know better, of course. Wow, such expertise and humbleness you have.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Again, simply tell me how much the globe has warmed up in the last five, or ten, or twenty years. Surely there's a figure somewhere.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
From National Geographic:
Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change. Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. The rate of warming is increasing.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Let me also add this:
Multiple lines of scientific evidence show that the climate system is warming. Although the increase of near-surface atmospheric temperature is the measure of global warming often reported in the popular press, most of the additional energy stored in the climate system since 1970 has gone into ocean warming. The remainder has melted ice and warmed the continents and atmosphere. Many of the observed changes since the 1950s are unprecedented over decades to millennia.
Scientific understanding of global warming is increasing. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reported in 2014 that scientists were more than 95% certain that global warming is mostly being caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHG) and other human (anthropogenic) activities. Climate model projections summarized in the report indicated that during the 21st century the global surface temperature is likely to rise a further 0.3 to 1.7 °C (0.5 to 3.1 °F) for their lowest emissions scenario using stringent mitigation and 2.6 to 4.8 °C (4.7 to 8.6 °F) for their highest.[11] These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations and are not disputed by any scientific body of national or international standing...
Human activity since the Industrial Revolution has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, leading to increased radiative forcing from CO2, methane, tropospheric ozone, CFCs and nitrous oxide. According to work published in 2007, the concentrations of CO2 and methane have increased by 36% and 148% respectively since 1750. These levels are much higher than at any time during the last 800,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from ice cores... -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming [some of the underlining is mine]
Multiple lines of scientific evidence show that the climate system is warming. Although the increase of near-surface atmospheric temperature is the measure of global warming often reported in the popular press, most of the additional energy stored in the climate system since 1970 has gone into ocean warming. The remainder has melted ice and warmed the continents and atmosphere. Many of the observed changes since the 1950s are unprecedented over decades to millennia.
Scientific understanding of global warming is increasing. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reported in 2014 that scientists were more than 95% certain that global warming is mostly being caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHG) and other human (anthropogenic) activities. Climate model projections summarized in the report indicated that during the 21st century the global surface temperature is likely to rise a further 0.3 to 1.7 °C (0.5 to 3.1 °F) for their lowest emissions scenario using stringent mitigation and 2.6 to 4.8 °C (4.7 to 8.6 °F) for their highest.[11] These findings have been recognized by the national science academies of the major industrialized nations and are not disputed by any scientific body of national or international standing...
Human activity since the Industrial Revolution has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, leading to increased radiative forcing from CO2, methane, tropospheric ozone, CFCs and nitrous oxide. According to work published in 2007, the concentrations of CO2 and methane have increased by 36% and 148% respectively since 1750. These levels are much higher than at any time during the last 800,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from ice cores... -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming [some of the underlining is mine]
BSM1
What? Me worry?
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/06...head-drop-in-global-temps-almost-a-slam-dunk/
Your turn. I don't know about you but a 1.4 degree warm up since 1880 won't cause me to lose a lot of sleep, especially since there are real problems we need to deal with.
Your turn. I don't know about you but a 1.4 degree warm up since 1880 won't cause me to lose a lot of sleep, especially since there are real problems we need to deal with.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ah, I can see why you're a Republican-- just ignore what the scientific research clearly points to and spout whatever comes to mind as if were some sort of reasonable response.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
I am not a Republican, but conjecture, innuendo, and histrionics is not science. You, sir, are waffling.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
That site is close to being incoherent. I see a jumbled mass of random claims and quotations, almost none of which appear to have references or links to any kind of scientific sites or peer reviewed science.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, all the scientists are relying on "conjecture, innuendo, and histrionics" to formulate the conclusions of their research? You, sir, simply have not a single clue what you are talking about. I was involved in scientific research in a different area, namely anthropology, and the amount of work that it takes to formulate even just a hypothesis to present for peer- review is staggering and terribly time-consuming. For you to say that these researchers on climate change were just relying on "conjecture, innuendo, and histrionics" is nothing short of sheer ignorance with how that process works.
If there were a wider degree of variance with peer-review on this, you would have a point. But the research has been heavily reviewed over a few decades now, and the conclusion of experts in this area is simply overwhelming.
But you have the right to your opinions, no doubt. But why would we take the remote chance that these researchers are wrong? If we don't take steps now, and they can be taken over time, we may hit a point of no-return. To not do so would be like throwing a bag of garbage out a 20th floor apartment hoping it won't hit someone walking down below.
Also, by working on reducing carbon and methane emissions, there are other side benefits, such as reducing pollution, conserving our natural resources, and saving families money in the long run. Etc.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Even if the hysteria had any basis whatsoever, how would we get the world's biggest polluters--China, India, Russia-- to cease and desist?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Leading by example?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Research is not "hysteria"-- matter of fact, it's the complete opposite of that because the scientific method was invented to try and reduce bias and emotional responses like "hysteria".
China is actually spending more on developing green energy than we are, and when my daughter was at a math conference in Beijing a few years ago, she could account for why-- terrible air pollution. I don't know about how far Russia has come along, but I do know that India has finally been willing to work more quickly on it. But just remember, we don't legalize theft just because we can't catch all thieves, OK?
Also, see ST's response above.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Yeah, right.
You mean that complex outside of China's unicorn farm?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Why not?
Set an example. Do the right thing. Maybe others will follow. And if they don't, well at least we did the right thing.
To me, that's a lot more productive than just throwing our hands in the air and pointing at China as an excuse not to do anything.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Hey, whatever you do, make sure you continue on your path of virtually ignoring both scientific research and what's been repeatedly covered in the news, as life must be so nice in your nice cozy bubble you've created for yourself. I've got more important things to do than waste time with someone who "thinks" he knows more than research scientists and news editors.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
If one claims the fact that you're a Republican, I wonder how cromulent one's other facts are?
So many things are said with so much certainty, & so little corroborating evidence.