Beat the Unbeliever!

[Engyo]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/12/06/creationism.class.ap/index.html

What a wonderful expression of compassionate Christian conservatism!

 

[Halcyon]

Although his comments were stupid, the people who attacked him are clearly oblivious to even the most basic of Jesus's teachings, and thus are not really Christian IMHO.

 

[Sunstone]

Those thugs aren't doing their side any favors.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

...What a wonderful expression of compassionate Christian conservatism!

From the article

..."I didn't know them," Mirecki said of his assailants, "but I'm sure they knew me."...

Unless you have proof of who the attackers were and that they were Christian conservatives, your statement is unfounded and judgemental.:tsk: Here's another quote from the article:

...The professor said he confronted the men after they were tailgating his vehicle along a road south of Lawrence. "I'm mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots," he said....

For all we know, this could have been have been unrelated to Mirecki's disrespectful comments about Christian conservatives, and unless you have some clearer evidence, perhaps you ought not make such prejudicial assumption.

 

[Aqualung]

Although his comments were stupid, the people who attacked him are clearly oblivious to even the most basic of Jesus's teachings, and thus are not really Christian IMHO.

That's right. If I started just calling myself a buddhist, and then beat up halcyon, does that mean I'm an example of buddhism? No. It just means I'm a bad person who happens to call myself buddhist. Same thing here. Calling himself a christian doesn't make this guy a christian, and certainly doesn't make him an example of christian conservatism.

 

[Engyo]

Apologies for poor phraseology.

I meant to point out how often hypocrisy resides in the guise of "protecting" one's religion.

 

[Sunstone]

It seems the thugs that beat Mirecki made references to the ID/Creationism controversy:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/05/mirecki_hospitalized_after_beating/?breaking

Mirecki said the men who beat him were making references to the controversy that has propelled him into the headlines in recent weeks.

 

[Aqualung]

Apologies for poor phraseology.

I meant to point out how often hypocrisy resides in the guise of "protecting" one's religion.

Hypocracy resides in all religiouns, but not because of the religoun. It's because hypocracy resides in man. And then that man decides to call himself a certain religion. And that hypocracy still lives in that man. The hypocracy doesn't reside in the religion but in the men, whichever religion they choose to follow.

 

[michel]

Although his comments were stupid, the people who attacked him are clearly oblivious to even the most basic of Jesus's teachings, and thus are not really Christian IMHO.

I find it hard to believe they have the cheek to call themselves Christians....

It seems the thugs that beat Mirecki made references to the ID/Creationism controversy:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/dec/05/mirecki_hospitalized_after_beating/?breaking

I hope they get found guilty, and have a strong punishment. If I was the priest of the Church they attended, they would not be welcome in the Chuch.......but I guess that is wrong as well.....I just don't know.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I find it hard to believe they have the cheek to call themselves Christians....

... despite a well documented history of the most obscene attrocities carried out in the name of Christianity? Yet you apparently believe in gods and angels and miracles galore. Strange ...

 

[Valjean]

When your religion is the cultural foundation of your psychological identity and is unsupported by any intellectual underpinning then competing ideas are a threat to your ego-identity. Those unable to defend their ideas of order and propriety intellectually do so physically.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

After I re-read the article, I'm going out on a limb and predict that this event was staged and that Mirecki will soon be investigated and maybe charged with filing a false report.

...“I just pulled over hoping they would pass, and then they pulled up real close behind,” he said. “They got out, and I made the mistake of getting out.”...

I mean someone please tell me who is stupid enough to get out of his car. Anyone with common sense would have nailed the gas and maybe called the police.

I realize many people on this board dislike and distrust Christians and will latch onto any story that seems to paint us in a negative light, but if you don't see the obvious holes in this story, they you are truly blinded by your own prejudices.

I'll watch this story for a follow-up.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

From the article
Unless you have proof of who the attackers were and that they were Christian conservatives, your statement is unfounded and judgemental.:tsk: Here's another quote from the article:
For all we know, this could have been have been unrelated to Mirecki's disrespectful comments about Christian conservatives, and unless you have some clearer evidence, perhaps you ought not make such prejudicial assumption.

Would you support their attack?
As they mentioned the course what else could it have been for?
Would you describe it as a Christian act?

Terry_______________________
Blessed are those who suffer in the cause of right, the kingdom of heaven is theirs.

 

[jeffrey]

... despite a well documented history of the most obscene attrocities carried out in the name of Christianity? Yet you apparently believe in gods and angels and miracles galore. Strange ...

If I was German, would that make me a nazi? No matter how much you choose to run down something you don't care to understand, always remember.. Jesus loves you. X

 

[CaptainXeroid]

Would you support their attack?

I am not convinced there was an 'attack'. Speaking hypothetically, if the events occurred as Mirecki reported, then the alleged suspects should be sought and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, so NO, I would not support such an attack. I don't see that I said/mentioned/hinted/implied that I would support such an attack, so I am quite puzzled as to why you would even need to ask this question.

As they mentioned the course what else could it have been for?

Once again, assuming there was an attack, I can't fathom why people commit crimes, so I cannot speculate as to their alleged motives.

Would you describe it as a Christian act?

If the events unfolded as Mirecki described, then NO, this was not a Christian act. Jesus Christ taught us to love one another and physically attacking a man because of his beliefs is not consistant with Christ's teachings.

Now, I have some questions for you.
Do you assume the attack is as Mirecki reported because you agree with his teachings/beliefs?

Do you believe it is acceptible to make false allegations to impugn people who disagree with you?

If Mirecki's allegations are proved to be false, does that mean that people who publicly criticize Christians are less believeable?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If I was German, would that make me a nazi?

That was a very dumb question. The issue is not whether I think that all Christians are vicious reactionaries or similarly, that all Germans are Nazis - clearly neither are true. At issue is whether I would or should be surprised at the sight of violence carried out in the name of Christianity or antisemitism carried out in the name of German national chauvinism. Next time, think before you embarrass yourself.

No matter how much you choose to run down something you don't care to understand, ...

You are a pitifully poor judge of what I choose to understand and the extent of that understanding.

..., always remember.. Jesus loves you.

And Kama loves you.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If the events unfolded as Mirecki described, then NO, this was not a Christian act. Jesus Christ taught us to love one another and physically attacking a man because of his beliefs is not consistant with Christ's teachings.

CaptainXeroid - the "true Scottsman"!

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Now, I have some questions for you.
Do you assume the attack is as Mirecki reported because you agree with his teachings/beliefs?

Do you believe it is acceptible to make false allegations to impugn people who disagree with you?

If Mirecki's allegations are proved to be false, does that mean that people who publicly criticize Christians are less believeable?

As I have no other information than the report I would believe him till he is proven wrong.
I do not know of any false allegations. But false allegations are by definition wrong.
As to his credibility... His previous outburst were in the circumstances stupid...The course he intended to run
was reasonable in the circumstances...His credibility in this is on a level rather higher than those attacking him.
I know little about his beliefs, But if he believes Creationism and ID are irrational then that is one belief we do share.

Terry_____________________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

 

[jeffrey]

Then, D, you are backing off of your 1st statement in which, because of what happened in the past with Christianity, it doesn't suprise you that it happens again? But your childish attitude of running others down to make you feel better about yourself does not suprise me. It's quite typical and most of the people in this forum I'm sure have come to expect it from you. Have a good day!

 

[CaptainXeroid]

... But false allegations are by definition wrong...

Fair answers, and we can definitely agree on this point, but you missed one:

I don't see that I said/mentioned/hinted/implied that I would support such an attack, so I am quite puzzled as to why you would even need to ask this question: "Would you support their attack?"

Since none of us were there, we are left to interpret events through heresay and our own biases. It will interesting to see how this story plays out. I stand by my prediction, and if I am proved wrong, I will confess my sins. Can the same be said of those who blindly beleive Mirecki? We shall see.:jiggy: