Beat the Unbeliever!

[Shadow Wolf]

I agree with Xeriod. It might have been unrelated to the class. Allthough it believable it is, there is the chance it would have happened even if he didn't make his comments.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Fair answers, and we can definitely agree on this point, but you missed one:

Since none of us were there, we are left to interpret events through heresay and our own biases. It will interesting to see how this story plays out. I stand by my prediction, and if I am proved wrong, I will confess my sins. Can the same be said of those who blindly beleive Mirecki? We shall see.:jiggy:

Your General attack on his veracity and his position suggested to me you were supporting his attackers.
I asked the questions to verify your position.

Terry__________________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

 

[michel]

... despite a well documented history of the most obscene attrocities carried out in the name of Christianity? Yet you apparently believe in gods and angels and miracles galore. Strange ...

Good point. But we are only humans; just because history has shown people who call themselves Christians to have behaved like monsters doesn't mean that I can't have an ideal to cling to, because, sometime, somehow, I believe we will be free of all this vaingloriousness and brutality; good will win out.

I will not allow myself to be come a cynical pessimist.

 

[Sunstone]

Captain, you seem to think that Mirecki falsified his report of the incident largely because you cannot believe that anyone would be so foolish as to personally confront the people stalking him. But I can believe that an academic would not be worldly enough to realize the people chasing him meant him more harm than a heated verbal dispute. After all, this is a guy who didn't even realize that his email would be a bit controversial, let alone that it would create a national furror. The man is quite simply naive.

 

[jeffrey]

The man is quite simply naive.

I was in a red-neck bar in Little Rock, Arkansas with a friend once. Got into it with 5 others. They called us outside, went and got their pistols. My friend and I where going to go outside, but the bouncer prevented us from doing that. I don't think I was naive, just plain stupid. My point is sometimes common sense is the least common of the senses.

 

[Ryan2065]

After I re-read the article, I'm going out on a limb and predict that this event was staged and that Mirecki will soon be investigated and maybe charged with filing a false report.

Hrm, this is based off what evidence? All christian people act exactly as what is reported in the Bible? Based off the fact that no one has ever been beaten (physically) by a self reported christian?

I mean someone please tell me who is stupid enough to get out of his car. Anyone with common sense would have nailed the gas and maybe called the police.

Yet this was done in Kansas... People do not tend to known what you believe is common sense. I have a friend from Kansas, she does not realize that you should lock your car door when you leave it.. She does not realize that you should not keep your purse/money out in the open in your car... There are many "common sense" things to me that she does not realize for the simple fact that she grew up in a small town in Kansas where things of this nature did not occur.

Also, I believe full well that my friend would have gotten out of her car in this situation, and I do not feel she is stupid by any means.

I realize many people on this board dislike and distrust Christians and will latch onto any story that seems to paint us in a negative light, but if you don't see the obvious holes in this story, they you are truly blinded by your own prejudices.

The obvious holes? You read the story and at first say the beating has nothing to do with the class he was going to teach... Then when you are corrected you state that the beating was more than likely staged... You seem to be grasping at conspiracy theories over anything else...

Once again, assuming there was an attack, I can't fathom why people commit crimes, so I cannot speculate as to their alleged motives.

If a man is being followed by two people, then is beaten by these two people as they make fun of him for being gay, would you not agree that they were beating him because he was gay?

Not many people randomly beat other people for the sheer joy of beating others... The professor did not know who these people were, yet they obviously knew who he was. Would you not say that it is a pretty good chance that they were beating him because he was going to offer this course? Or because of the comments he made about christians?

Do you assume the attack is as Mirecki reported because you agree with his teachings/beliefs?

No, I assume the attack is as Mirecki reported because there have been no reports about lies he has stated and because there is absolutely no evidence to support the assertion that it was staged.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

Your General attack on his veracity and his position suggested to me you were supporting his attackers.

I don't think I've read a more idiotic and offensive assumption!:tsk: Since I never attacked his position, you are truly confused. I recommend you read more carefully in the future.

...The man is quite simply naive.

You may be right, I may be crazy. Oh, but it just may be a lunatic you're lookin' for. Sorry....I get carried away in song lyrics.:jam: I guess the difference is that other people don't seem to be able to accept the possibility that Mirecki is lying, while I fully accept that he may be telling the truth

Hrm, this is based off what evidence?

I posted why I believe this, and never said I had any other evidence.

All christian people act exactly as what is reported in the Bible?

I never said this, so your statement is pointless.

Based off the fact that no one has ever been beaten (physically) by a self reported christian?

Once again, I never said this, so your statement is pointless.

... People do not tend to known what you believe is common sense...

Good point, and I accept this as possibility. However, getting out of your car to confront another driver IS very stupid. Sorry, but stories about road rage have been in the new for many years.

You read the story and at first say the beating has nothing to do with the class he was going to teach...

I hope you are joking and not really as ignorant as you present yourself.:biglaugh: Here is what I posted, and I put it in larger type for you since you misread it before. Please try better this time and in the future.

...For all we know, this could have been have been unrelated to Mirecki's disrespectful comments about Christian conservatives,...

Click here for the definition of the word could and pay careful to the second definition if you are still confused.

No, I assume the attack is as Mirecki reported because there have been no reports about lies he has stated and because there is absolutely no evidence to support the assertion that it was staged.

...and other than his statement, there is absolutely no evidence to support the assertion that it was not staged.

Until one of us has more concrete evidence, we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Xeroid,

Looking at this in a vacuum, if this guy showed up with bumps and bruises and a reasonable story about how those bumps and bruises got there, then that story is definately evidence of how the injuries came to be. It may not be definitive proof, but it is evidence, nonetheless.

You presuming that he made up that same story, with absolutely no evidence to support the theory, is simply conjecture.

I find it hilarious how someone who can beleive fantastically unbelievablle and unprove-able stories such as Noah and the Ark, Jonah and the Whale, and Creation without blinking an eye, will go so far out of their way to disbeleive a totally plausible story such as "I was beat up by two guy's who didn't like when I made disparaging things about ______________ (insert religious group of your choice)."

I wasn't there on that road, I haven't seen a video of the event, so no, I don't personally know for sure what happened to the Professor. It does appear he had injuries, and it does appear that he made comments that could have upset "Fundies" as he referred to them. His story of a couple of guy's beating him up for these comments makes perfect sense. Does that make in necessarily true? No. Does it make it more likely true than not? Yes.

So there is some concrete evidence for the story told by the Prof, while there is absolutely ZERO evidence that he decided to beat himself up.

B.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

...You presuming that he made up that same story, with absolutely no evidence to support the theory, is simply conjecture....

...and I never suggested it was not. I just offered it as my opinion. Time may tell if I am right or wrong.

...I find it hilarious....

Glad I could amuse you. I find it equally as hilarious that many people who are not religious ridicule those who are, yet when they are presented with a story that is consistant with what they already know to be true, they readily accept it on faith.

...Does that make in necessarily true? No...

That was my point. I am glad to see that you understand that while others did not.

...Does it make it more likely true than not?...

In your opinion...once again...time may tell.

...So there is some concrete evidence for the story told by the Prof, while there is absolutely ZERO evidence that he decided to beat himself up...

First, I never said that he beat himself up, so that point is irrelevant. Second, at this point, there is ZERO corroborating evidence to prove his story is true. Perhaps the police are looking for that evidence and the alleged perpetrators as we speak, and they will make arrests soon. Perhaps there are no perps. Once again...time may tell. Peace out.:162:

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I don't think I've read a more idiotic and offensive assumption!:tsk: Since I never attacked his position, you are truly confused. I recommend you read more carefully in the future.

I read all your posts on this thread very carefully.
My mistake was to forget you were of fundamentalist persuasion.
Had I remembered I would have seen that you only read the written words and
do not take into account the impression they give or peoples interpretations of them.

My remarks were neither intended to be offensive nor an idiotic assumption,
they are a question based a legitimate interpretation of the material at hand.

Terry___________________________
Blessed are those who bring peace, they shall be children of God

 

[CaptainXeroid]

...My mistake was to forget you were of fundamentalist persuasion...

:biglaugh:You think I'm a fundamentalist.:biglaugh: There are no words to describe how far off base you are this one, pal. :biglaugh: Oh my God....thanks...I really needed a good laugh this afternoon.

You seem to think that because I questioned the validity of a claim that I somehow supported those who carried out this alleged attack. I cannot think of a more rude, and intellectually bankrupt conclusion any human being could draw. If we apply your kind of logic, evolutionists hate people who believe that God created the earth and mankind because they disagree with them. Sorry, but that's just sick.:tsk:

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

:biglaugh:You think I'm a fundamentalist.

If some thing looks like a cow and moos like a cow. People might believe it is a Cow.
In this case I will reserve judgement.:biglaugh:

Terry_______________________________
Blessed are those who bring peace, they shall be children of God

 

[Ryan2065]

I hope you are joking and not really as ignorant as you present yourself

Wow, a personal attack instead of actually debating the topic! I wish all the people I debated made themselves look as bad as you are making yourself look!

...and other than his statement, there is absolutely no evidence to support the assertion that it was not staged.

So the evidence to assert that the event was staged... Nothing... The evidence to assert the event was not staged... The bruises (he could not have done them himself, so someone would have to be in on it)... Let see, what else... His credibility, I am pretty sure his life as an academic would be done if it came out that he was lieing about this event, then his credibility would be shot... Well, really, in my mind that is all we need.

You seem to want to assert that there is as much evidence that this was staged as evidence that this really happened... How many people do you know of who put their jobs on the line to just take a "jab" at a religious group?

Until one of us has more concrete evidence, we will just have to agree to disagree

Sigh... or until one of us sees the evidence as it is presented and doesn't speculate... Evil Russians who enjoy running around to different countries to beat people up in their cars could have done this... There is as much evidence for this assertion as there is for your assertion.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

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[CaptainXeroid]

Wow, a personal attack...

Hahaha...that wasn't even close to a personal attack.

...

You read the story and at first say the beating has nothing to do with the class he was going to teach...

You attritibuted to me a comment that I did not make. That is truly bad form in a debate.

All I did was state an opinion that I don't believe this guy, and several people got so defensive as if they have some kind of personal investment in Mirecki's story. While I appreciate your input, until the facts come out, I'm standing by my belief. Fare thee well.