Behind the killing of 8 Gazan family members

[Jayhawker Soule]

There is much here to be digested:

Eight noncombatants, all members of the Kaware family, were killed Tuesday in an Israel Air Force strike on their home in the Gaza Strip city of Khan Yunis. According to a preliminary investigation conducted by the Israel Defense Forces, the results of which were released on Wednesday, the family returned prematurely to the home after being warned by the IDF that it would be targeted. The Israel Air Force said the deaths were not intentional.

The IDF says the home was the residence of Odeh Kaware, Hamas’ Khan Yunis company commander, and served as his headquarters. According to the preliminary investigation, after Israeli security forces informed family members by phone that the house was going to be bombed, they left the house. Then, in what the IAF calls “the knock on the roof,” a small missile, without an explosive warhead, was fired onto the building’s roof in order to underline the seriousness of the warning.

Apparently the family members began returning to the house just as the larger missile, meant to destroy the home, was fired. “There was nothing to be done, the munition was in the air and could not be diverted,” a senior air force officer said. “Although you see [the family members] running back into the house, there was no way to divert the missile,” he said.

Palestinian sources said eight people were killed and 25 wounded in the strike on the house.

A high-ranking IDF officer said on Tuesday that the defense establishment would continue to bomb the homes of senior Hamas operatives, adding that even though the IAF realizes that sometimes residents of a targeted building try to prevent the bombings by standing on the roof as human shields, “We will take down those houses.”

“If these people, like those yesterday, try to confront a plane in the air, and the pilot signals [that he plans to blow up the house] – get out, because that house will fall,” the officer, who was speaking on condition of anonymity, said.

The unintended consequences are tragic but, at the same time, the efforts made to mitigate them are unparalleled.

 

[WonderWho]

There is much here to be digested:

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The unintended consequences are tragic but, at the same time, the efforts made to mitigate them are unparalleled.

As Golda said:
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Seems like this gutter consciousness of Israel's enemies will never change.

 

[ametist]

Bombing a place trying to save people in it? I dont know what to say. Too much extra bombs?
In last past week many people were killed there. 43 last i heard. What happened to them? Accidently fall on a gun or bomb? Can you kill yourself out of fun or deceive somebody? How can you believe such a thing just to avoid severity of situation or guilt?
When those 3 young students were killed(i was really saddened by the incident) and god knows by who,israil uttered a revenge oath and blamed their neighbour again as a rule. there are ordinary innocent people living there.Yes much to digest there.
Universal law of punishment :you cant punish somebody else for the crime of another. Killing of those three students was a trap set by who god knows. May god forgive those people who justify all the brutality and ideas of revenge on wrong people.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Bombing a place trying to save people in it? I dont know what to say.

Clearly. How shall we rationally respond to this List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014?

 

[GoodbyeDave]

If you occupy other people's land, they are apt to react violently. The Algerians and Vietnamese drove out French colonists who wouldn't negotiate: the Israelis should reflect on that.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If you occupy other people's land, they are apt to react violently.

For the sake of argument, let's pretend that's something other than a simplistic and ignorant one-liner. Now answer the question.

 

[Iti oj]

For the sake of argument, let's pretend that's something other than a simplistic and ignorant one-liner. Now answer the question.

Let's pretend your post was informative or presented a counter point

 

[Revoltingest]

As Golda said:
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."
Seems like this gutter consciousness of Israel's enemies will never change.

When one has THE TRUTH, the other side will always be wrong & deserving of demonization.
This is what enables Israel's use of mass punishment. And this, of course, leads to retaliation,
which leads to retaliation, which leads to....you know. Israel runs the show there, so it's up to
them to treat the other side with greater respect for civil liberties. But this won't be easy, &
excuses to continue the status quo will prevail. And the US will continue to finance this fiasco.

 

[Debater Slayer]

As Golda said:
"Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Seems like this gutter consciousness of Israel's enemies will never change.

That's a cute generalization by "Golda." It sounds like something that would make for a very popular piece of right-wing chauvinism in, say, the Republican Party.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's a cute generalization by "Golda." It sounds like something that would make for a very popular piece of right-wing chauvinism in, say, the Republican Party.

Geeze...everything is an opportunity to make it about Publicans.
Like the Dems aren't above simplistic deflections & slogans.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That's a cute generalization by "Golda."

Sadly, it's also a disgustingly racist one.

 

[columbus]

I wonder what Israels think about something. Suppose they succeeded in neutralizing Hamas. Killed them all or something. Then what?

The likeliest result, it seems to me, is that they would be replaced by a group that is better organized, funded, and armed. Also more ruthless. It would seem likely to be ISIS or something similar.
But maybe they see something else. What might that be?

Tom

 

[esmith]

I wonder what Israels think about something. Suppose they succeeded in neutralizing Hamas. Killed them all or something. Then what?

The likeliest result, it seems to me, is that they would be replaced by a group that is better organized, funded, and armed. Also more ruthless. It would seem likely to be ISIS or something similar.
But maybe they see something else. What might that be?

Tom

So, why not try and eliminate on nullify the source of the problem, which seem to be Hamas. Then see what happens, vice making an assumption that may not be accurate.

 

[Revoltingest]

So, why not try and eliminate on nullify the source of the problem, which seem to be Hamas. Then see what happens, vice making an assumption that may not be accurate.

That wouldn't address the reasons for Hamas's existence.
If the reasons survive Hamas, then a new foe would fill the vacuum.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I wonder what Israels think about something. Suppose they succeeded in neutralizing Hamas. Killed them all or something. Then what?

The likeliest result, it seems to me, is that they would be replaced by a group that is better organized, funded, and armed. Also more ruthless.

1. Israelis are not monolithic.
2. What if Hamas was replaced by responsible leaders uncompromisingly opposed to both terrorism and oppression?

 

[Assad91]

They wouldn't be dead if Israel didn't have the disgusting policy of collective punishment. Please tell what exactly does destroying a person s home do besides fuel the anger? Does the actions of one man warrant the destruction of a whole life of the family?

Displacing a family isnt right.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That wouldn't address the reasons for Hamas's existence.
If the reasons survive Hamas, then a new foe would fill the vacuum.

There are many reasons for Hamas' existence and control (much as there are many reasons for the Muslim Brotherhood's existence and (short-lived) control.

 

[columbus]

1. Israelis are not monolithic.
2. What if Hamas was replaced by responsible leaders uncompromisingly opposed to both terrorism and oppression?

How many Israelis think that is more likely than an ISIS takeover? Or some similar group?

Tom

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

They wouldn't be dead if Israel didn't have the disgusting policy of collective punishment. Please tell what exactly does destroying a person s home do besides fuel the anger? Does the actions of one man warrant the destruction of a whole life of the family?

Displacing a family isnt right.

According to the article:

The IDF says the home was the residence of Odeh Kaware, Hamas’ Khan Yunis company commander, and served as his headquarters. According to the preliminary investigation, after Israeli security forces informed family members by phone that the house was going to be bombed, they left the house. Then, in what the IAF calls “the knock on the roof,” a small missile, without an explosive warhead, was fired onto the building’s roof in order to underline the seriousness of the warning.

One can dispute the accuracy of the comment and I am certainly in no position to confirm its accuracy. But, if you accept its accuracy (if only for the sake of argument), then:

• this tragedy has absolutely nothing to do with collective punishment,
• destroying the headquarters of the Khan Yunis company commander does, in fact, serve a legitimate military function, and
• apparently every effort was made to avoid "the destruction of a whole life of the family" (which, by the way, is more than one can say for Odeh Kaware, who chose to embed his headquarters in his home).

Do you truly acknowledge no culpability on the part of Hamas and Kaware?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

How many Israelis think that is more likely than an ISIS takeover? Or some similar group?

Tom