Which is pretty much par for the course with many serious issues.
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Being Fat Is NOT OKAY...Deal With It.
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Which is pretty much par for the course with many serious issues.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's arts and theatre that get cut before gym, and more deeply than gym, because the sport jocks are doing gym and not drama or band. Those areas have to be performing exceptionally well to get any decent funding.
I think that most towns are run by sports fans and more kids get their college tuition paid for by being good at sports and fewer for other things like art.
But team sports are extra-curricular and not for everyone.
SkylarHunter
Active Member
I don't know anyone who decided to become fat. It happened due to their life choices, and that's what it comes down to: choices. Eating healthily and exercising are an investment that a lot of people simple don't have the motivation to make.
Yesterday I came home from work and I went for a run. I was already tired and it would have felt great to just sit on the couch, but I didn't. I made the choice to exercise because it was the best thing for me. I only ran for a little more than half an hour because I was too tired to go on but I'm happy because I did what I could. When I came home I had a shower and a healthy meal that I cooked from scratch. It would have been so much easier and faster to grab a box of something made in a factory and put it in a microwave...
Yesterday and many other days I "wasted" the opportunity to be on the couch eating junk food because I decided to do what was best for my health and for my mind. The result is that I'm not overweight, I don't have high blood pressure, I don't get tired when I take the stairs, I don't have diabetes type 2, etc, ect, ect.
We live in a society of people who can't be bothered to educate themselves concerning nutrition (and there is plenty of free information available), people who are lazy, who only care about whatever is easier and most convenient and the way we are going I don't know how governments are going to find the resources to treat so many millions of victims of self inflicted illness.
SkylarHunter
Active Member
I'm no expert but your heart rate probably goes up too fast and you get tired very quickly. You can build it up with training and breathing exercises but if running is not for you try something else. Swimming and biking are great for people like you. You should practice something you enjoy so you don't feel that by practicing sports you're making a sacrifice.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Yeah, and genetics determines what that balance is.
What I mean is, if I take in 3000 calories and do not expel 3000 calories, over a long period of time, I will become fat. Your genetic disposition does not stop you from exercising in this case.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
Yes, and genetics determines what it takes to expel those calories. I'll use myself as an example:
At my prime about 5 years ago I was about 250 pounds.
To maintain this required about 2500 daily calorie intake and run 5 miles 3 - 4 times per week and 1 to 1.5 hours of weightlifting 4 - 5 times per week, and I worked a very physical job and walked the mile to work every day. I know this because this was around the time I got in to body building so I was keeping very careful track of everything I did as far as exercise and calorie intake.
This is what it took to maintain 250 pounds, not lose weight, and it wasn't gaining muscle and losing fat either, I was just maintaining.
Was I just not disciplined enough? No, it was genetics.
I always knew that genetics played a role in body composition, but like you I just figured I would need to eat a little less and work a little more and I could have success.
Could I have worked a little harder and ate a little less? Probably, but to put it in perspective Arnold Schwarzenegger at his prime competing in body building competitions put in 4 hours per day in the gym 6 days a week and ate 5000 calories. I was doing 2 - 3 gym hours 5 days a week and starving myself. This is what Arnold did to maintain one of the most famous bodies in the world of fitness, it's what I had to do to maintain borderline obesity.
And then I gave up body building because it was a waste of effort.
I completely underestimated the role of genetics in body composition and realized I was never going to achieve what I was going for, which wasn't anything extreme.
Instead I took advantage of my genetic predisposition towards size and started power lifting. It didn't do anything for my body fat but I became ridiculously strong.
It is also possible that you were gaining muscle mass while losing fat percentages. You would only know this if you were actively monitoring both. Maybe you were, maybe you weren't. Bottom line, if you are fat and you want to lose weight, you can. Period, the end. Only in VERY rare circumstances is it simply not possible.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Nobody deserves to be harassed, shamed, ridiculed, or humiliated for being overweight regardless of any health implications.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
I wasn't losing fat, I had my body fat checked weekly.
You can lose weight, sure, but if you are genetically predisposed to be fat then you are fighting an uphill battle that you can never stop fighting because while you are doing everything you can to keep the weight off your metabolism is doing everything it can to keep it on and gain more.
The problem is the implication that fat people are simply lazy and that's why they are fat, and that simply isn't true.
Instead of saying "Being fat is NOT OKAY" it should be "Being unhealthy is not okay" because those two statements are not one in the same.
Not all fat people are unhealthy.
No one has ever said it would be easy.
I do connect the two, yes. Because if someone is fat/obese, that means they are not taking the proper steps necessary to make themselves better. For whatever reason, they are not making the dedicated effort needed. You can come up with a mountain of excuses as to why you don't want to do something, and I do not have to support you because of those excuses. I'll accept you, but my opinion and decision to support your lifestyle is my own. Or you can do what it takes to get the job done. That is up to the individual.
There are outliers to support your statement, but as a general rule I do not think it applies.
I must say that I was shocked a few years ago when I learned that (then) almost two-thirds of Americans are overweight or obese (now 68.6%: http://stateofobesity.org/rates/ ), making the US the fattest nation in the world. I am in Europe most every year, and had simply never noticed how much fatter Americans are.
A 2007 report by the Congressional Research Service noted:
http://documents.mx/documents/healthcare-by-country-2007.html
Researchers for the CDC estimated that the “annual medical cost of obesity in the U.S. was $147 billion in 2008 U.S. dollars,” and that medical expenses for people who are obese were $1,429 higher per year than for people of normal weight. http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html These figures have undoubtedly on increased in the 8 years since.
Thus, especially under the ACA, all taxpayers foot the bill for the American obesity epidemic.
There is no rational reason to believe that the primary cause of the American obesity epidemic is any other physical factors than too little exercise and excessive calorie intake. However, as noted on another thread (http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-are-americans-such-voracious-pill-poppers.187166/ ), the outrageous quantities of pharmaceuticals that Americans consume on a daily basis have likely contributed to Americans’ weight problem, and make it more difficult to achieve a normal weight: the 3 most commonly prescribed drugs--antibiotics, antidepressants and opioids--are all known to cause weight cause. Antibiotics are fed to livestock animals for the specific purpose of fattening them up. Antibiotics evidently achieve this effect by creating an imbalance in a person’s gut flora away from the Bacteroidetes to a greater proportion of the Furmicutes. The latter are more efficient at extracting calories than the former. Thin people tend to have a different balance of gut bacteria (greater proportion of Bacteroidetes) than overweight people:
Tsai, F. and Coyle, W.J. The microbiome and obesity: is obesity linked to our gut flora? Curr Gastroenterol Rep. 2009 Aug;11(4):307-13.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19615307
The weight gain caused by use of antidepressants is often down-played or merely ignored. For instance, an article at WebMD claims that “up to 25% of people who take antidepressants gain weight”. The STAR*D study, the largest and longest study on antidepressants, found that 71.3% of those whose depression symptoms improved reported increased weight gain while taking Celexa--resulting in a far higher percentage of people reporting weight gain than reported improvement in the depression symptoms. http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/AntiDepressants/STARDTaleandTrailofBiasPiggot2011.pdf
A 2007 report by the Congressional Research Service noted:
The effects of obesity on health and health care spending have been found to be more serious than smoking or problem drinking -- the effects of obesity are similar to 20 years’ aging.[30] According to one estimate, 27% of the increase in per capita U.S. health care spending between 1987 and 2001 was attributable to obesity.[31]
http://documents.mx/documents/healthcare-by-country-2007.html
Researchers for the CDC estimated that the “annual medical cost of obesity in the U.S. was $147 billion in 2008 U.S. dollars,” and that medical expenses for people who are obese were $1,429 higher per year than for people of normal weight. http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html These figures have undoubtedly on increased in the 8 years since.
Thus, especially under the ACA, all taxpayers foot the bill for the American obesity epidemic.
There is no rational reason to believe that the primary cause of the American obesity epidemic is any other physical factors than too little exercise and excessive calorie intake. However, as noted on another thread (http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-are-americans-such-voracious-pill-poppers.187166/ ), the outrageous quantities of pharmaceuticals that Americans consume on a daily basis have likely contributed to Americans’ weight problem, and make it more difficult to achieve a normal weight: the 3 most commonly prescribed drugs--antibiotics, antidepressants and opioids--are all known to cause weight cause. Antibiotics are fed to livestock animals for the specific purpose of fattening them up. Antibiotics evidently achieve this effect by creating an imbalance in a person’s gut flora away from the Bacteroidetes to a greater proportion of the Furmicutes. The latter are more efficient at extracting calories than the former. Thin people tend to have a different balance of gut bacteria (greater proportion of Bacteroidetes) than overweight people:
Tsai, F. and Coyle, W.J. The microbiome and obesity: is obesity linked to our gut flora? Curr Gastroenterol Rep. 2009 Aug;11(4):307-13.
The human gut is a lush microbial ecosystem containing about 100 trillion microorganisms, whose collective genome, the microbiome, contains 100-fold more genes than the entire human genome. The symbiosis of our extended genome plays a role in host homeostasis and energy extraction from diet. In this article, we summarize some of the studies that have advanced the understanding of the microbiome and its effects on metabolism, obesity, and health. Metagenomic studies demonstrated that certain mixes of gut microbiota may protect or predispose the host to obesity. Furthermore, microbiota transplantation studies in germ-free murine models showed that the efficient energy extraction traits of obese-type gut flora are transmissible. The proposed methods by which the microbiome may contribute to obesity include increasing dietary energy harvest, promoting fat deposition, and triggering systemic inflammation. Future treatments for obesity may involve modulation of gut microbiota using probiotics or prebiotics.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19615307
The weight gain caused by use of antidepressants is often down-played or merely ignored. For instance, an article at WebMD claims that “up to 25% of people who take antidepressants gain weight”. The STAR*D study, the largest and longest study on antidepressants, found that 71.3% of those whose depression symptoms improved reported increased weight gain while taking Celexa--resulting in a far higher percentage of people reporting weight gain than reported improvement in the depression symptoms. http://psychrights.org/research/Digest/AntiDepressants/STARDTaleandTrailofBiasPiggot2011.pdf
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
The only "excuse" I need is, I'm perfectly healthy and I don't need need to work like a professional body builder to placate other people's delusions about body image.
And honestly, saying implying fat people are lazy and undisciplined is like implying thin people are bulimic. Your only concern should be whether people are healthy, not their size.
And I believe in a majority of people there is a definitive link. Unless there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary that says fat people have identical health risks and have the same physical health as normal weighted individuals, you are not going to convince me otherwise.
So I take it you don't support universal health care? So if you're sick and can't pay for treatment, it's cool if we toss you aside? Alright.
No where did I say any of those things. People are loving this whole "What is the worst thing Q could be thinking... that must be it!"
That's what it looks like you're saying. Clarify if I'm wrong.
We aren't even talking about universal healthcare, for starters. So... yeah.
You're the one whining about your tax money being used for healthcare expenditures. It's called a logical conclusion.