Being religious in Judaism

[Leo613]

Why do some people think that being religious in Judaism means not driving on Sabbath or keeping kosher and if not your not considered religious. no ones perfect. But If someone keeps kosher but is not caring they're still considered religious?

 

[Tumah]

Why do some people think that being religious in Judaism means not driving on Sabbath or keeping kosher and if not your not considered religious. no ones perfect. But If someone keeps kosher but is not caring they're still considered religious?

Well, you claim you went to some 'religious college'. So instead of asking us questions about Judaism, why don't you tell us what the reason you learned there?

 

[rosends]

Why do some people think that being religious in Judaism means not driving on Sabbath or keeping kosher and if not your not considered religious. no ones perfect. But If someone keeps kosher but is not caring they're still considered religious?

Being observant of laws means following the dictates of the laws because they and they spiritual connection to the divine that they represent and encourage are an essential aspect of religiosity. How can one claim to be "religious" when not following the integral parts of the religion? Maybe there is another definition of "religious" you would like to have in play. Put it forward.

 

[Leo613]

Well, you claim you went to some 'religious college'. So instead of asking us questions about Judaism, why don't you tell us what the reason you learned there?

What's wrong with questions?
Religious college wasn't my choice I was brought up by my parents like that.

 

[Leo613]

Being observant of laws means following the dictates of the laws because they and they spiritual connection to the divine that they represent and encourage are an essential aspect of religiosity. How can one claim to be "religious" when not following the integral parts of the religion? Maybe there is another definition of "religious" you would like to have in play. Put it forward.

My understanding of religion is doing what God tells us to do. We all have our own path.

 

[rosends]

My understanding of religion is doing what God tells us to do. We all have our own path.

And how do you understand that God communicated what he wants us to do?

 

[Leo613]

And how do you understand that God communicated what he wants us to do?

The Torah

 

[rosends]

The Torah

So if the Torah prescribes behavior and that behavior is one of the defining features of Judaism, then can you see how not following what God says you should is seen as "not religious"?

 

[Leo613]

So if the Torah prescribes behavior and that behavior is one of the defining features of Judaism, then can you see how not following what God says you should is seen as "not religious"?

I'm only saying that we can't judge someone if they they don't keep certain commandments like kosher or what ever that they're not religious just like you wouldn't say if someone kept kosher but wasn't caring to someone that they're not religious.

 

[rosends]

I'm only saying that we can't judge someone if they they don't keep certain commandments like kosher or what ever that they're not religious just like you wouldn't say if someone kept kosher but wasn't caring to someone that they're not religious.

I'm losing you, then, on your definition on what it is to be "religious."

 

[psychoslice]

The Sabbath in my opinion has become an idol of worship, the spiritual meaning of the Sabbath is to rest in God, the actual day is just for those who are still not spiritually matured.

 

[Leo613]

I'm losing you, then, on your definition on what it is to be "religious."

I'm saying there's a double standard with religious people they consider themselves religious because they fit the religious stereotype they tick all the boxes (black hat, beard, etc) but if someone doesn't fit in to that lifestyle they're not considered religious. so if the person that doesn't keep kosher is not religious then the person with black hat, etc... but doesn't keep some other commandments shouldn't be considerd religious either.

 

[metis]

Why do some people think that being religious in Judaism means not driving on Sabbath or keeping kosher and if not your not considered religious. no ones perfect. But If someone keeps kosher but is not caring they're still considered religious?

I can appreciate your question in regards to the fact that the word "religious" can mean different things to different people, so for me it's difficult to comment on this. Fort example, human sacrifices were "religious" for the Mayans but is very taboo in most other cultures.

I think I know what you're driving at with the OP, but you may consider rewording it.

 

[rosends]

I'm saying there's a double standard with religious people they consider themselves religious because they fit the religious stereotype they tick all the boxes (black hat, beard, etc) but if someone doesn't fit in to that lifestyle they're not considered religious. so if the person that doesn't keep kosher is not religious then the person with black hat, etc... but doesn't keep some other commandments shouldn't be considerd religious either.

Ah, so you are asking why a particular set of laws is the arbiter of "religiosity" more often then other laws. That's a fair question. There are certain elements in the talmud which are determined by one's keeping the sabbath, being acceptable for legal testimony for example. So once these are elevated over others, people use them as arbiters of general religiosity.

 

[Leo613]

Ah, so you are asking why a particular set of laws is the arbiter of "religiosity" more often then other laws. That's a fair question. There are certain elements in the talmud which are determined by one's keeping the sabbath, being acceptable for legal testimony for example. So once these are elevated over others, people use them as arbiters of general religiosity.

Isn't it impossible to keep Shabbat properly?

 

[rosends]

Isn't it impossible to keep Shabbat properly?

I don't think so, but even if so, there are ways of keeping it very well. There is no demand for perfection, just a request that we try to do better once we know that there was a problem.

 

[Leo613]

I don't think so, but even if so, there are ways of keeping it very well. There is no demand for perfection, just a request that we try to do better once we know that there was a problem.

The thing is no one knows all the laws. So as far as being considered keeping Sabbath its all relative. Where do you draw the line?

 

[Leo613]

I don't think so, but even if so, there are ways of keeping it very well. There is no demand for perfection, just a request that we try to do better once we know that there was a problem.

We all know some laws that we lacks on

 

[rosends]

The thing is no one knows all the laws. So as far as being considered keeping Sabbath its all relative. Where do you draw the line?

There is a difference between a cheit and an aveirah http://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/29370/1362

 

[rosends]

We all know some laws that we lacks on

so we decide if we want to improve on what we know we are deficient.