How will you solve the problems that lead to obesity?
I will wait.
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Being Skinny is NOT OKAY...Deal with it!
- Thread starter beenherebeforeagain
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I will wait.
Your entire post is passing the buck, can't say I am surprised that you are doing it again instead of answering the question/challenge. But here, this will get you started.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=strategies+to+beat+obesity
Enjoy the rest of your thread.
Great! And just as soon as Congress and the States actually start devoting the resources necessary to help implement these strategies, we ought to see some results...until then, it's almost entirely up to the individual to fight against all the influences that may be making them overweight...so let's continue to blame them if they aren't succeeding...
By the way, obesity has always existed, and always will exist. The causes are still there, even if these strategies are fully and effectively implemented and help reduce the rates at which it occurs...
illykitty
RF's pet cat
Yes vegetables are less calorie dense, but some plant foods are higher than veggies (which I don't solely eat) like fruits, carbs, nuts and seeds, but I'm sure I'm eating more calories than I previously did. Also a lot of high carb plant-based people on YouTube, for example, promote eating at least 2000 calories. So even if plants contain less calories, technically speaking, someone is not necessarily eating less of it if they increase the amount (bulk) that they eat. It's also important for getting all nutrients, for good health.
1200 may be extreme limitation to you, but it's usually what the diet industry tells women to eat. We're used to hearing this as being normal. I now know better but previously I was convinced that it was the only thing I could do to lose weight.
No, this is where we're not going to agree. I have previously said that people close to me, and myself included, have yo-yo'd tremendously doing what is commonly said for losing weight. There's a phenomena that some people call metabolic damage, which if someone restricts calories too much and/or exercise too much, they cause damage to their metabolism. Look up a study done on The Biggest Looser contestants. One of the men, after having done it, has gained all of his weight back plus more and now, to MAINTAIN his weight, he has to eat a stupidly low 800 calories. His metabolism has been completely messed up.
So no, it's not always down to laziness, some people have damaged metabolism due to bad advice on how to lose weight, have a terrible environment and can't make heads or tails on how to sustain a healthy lifestyle. There's too much garbage advice out there. I don't solely blame the individual. It's wrong to say all fat people are lazy.
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
For the extreme minority of people who can do nothing about their weight, like those with Cohen syndrome or certain allelic shuffles, there is no one with a scintilla of brain matter that would lay blame at them for being lazy.
But for the rest of the landwhales who use historical premise or self-congratulation, they should be launched at with information about obesity. Why would you want to be fat? Why would you put your body under conditions that are terrible physiologically?--for the spine is already ruined in the modern era. Why are you proud to be obese? Why do you want to die earlier?
And you know which are suffering from a disease, from genetic issues, from environmental factors, from social factors, and which ones are just plain lazy exactly how?
Yeah I get flack for being skinny cause its is out of the norm.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I guess I'm lucky cause I hardly ever get bother for it. But then I do wear baggy clothing. Well, clothing that fits people who are a healthy weight but is baggy on me
I think people use the term "fat shamming" and "thin shamming" to get around the fact that too many people are unhealthy due to habits and lifestyle choices.
Really, it disgusts me. You can give legit advice and be told you are "shamming" when just pointing out the obvious. How long before we tell doctors they are "fat shaming" to their obese patients who need to go out more and cut out soda pop and snacks? Or they need to stop throwing up and actually eat some more protein and food?
Really, it disgusts me. You can give legit advice and be told you are "shamming" when just pointing out the obvious. How long before we tell doctors they are "fat shaming" to their obese patients who need to go out more and cut out soda pop and snacks? Or they need to stop throwing up and actually eat some more protein and food?
Because anorexia nervosa and bulimia are totally as simple as that to treat.
Because anorexia nervosa and bulimia are totally as simple as that to treat.
I was making an overly simplified example; clearly it's not so simple because it's psychological, but my point still stands that people sometimes take the idea of not wanting to shame people too far at times. I don't think a doctor can simply tell someone to eat more and it's magically fixed, but admitting there is a problem (if there really is one) is always the first step. I'm just saying there is an extreme to this is all, and unfortunately I've in the last few years seen some people hide behind fat/thin acceptance to avoid the fact that they are unhealthy and it's hurting them.
That isn't to say that other people don't take it too far; many people hide behind the idea of promoting health to really just hate on thin or fat people. It's like the concern trolls who claim they are "helping" fat people by harassing them and mocking them. So it cut both ways.
I just kind of think this subject is really touchy as there are many people on both sides who hide between ideas to either be okay with their unhealthy weight or harass and bully others for their weight. I don't think we should bully people or make them feel like less of people, but we also shouldn't lie to them and tell them that their weight is healthy if it really is impacting their health.
I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend you or anyone :s
edit: I think the reason I framed it how I did is because those who tend to be quick to accuse others of fat shamming are more on the side of mainstream acceptance than those who hide behind the idea of "helping" to just bully.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I don't think I have ever seen a fat person reaching 100.
Genetics play a large role in how bodies respond to environmental impact (especially food, but also toxins and exercise and such), but genetics very rarely make someone unhealthily fat or skinny without an environmental catalyst.
This dramatic change in one generation was not from changing genetics:
(Nor was it from a mass-bodybuilding craze, for those that would point out that bmi is misleading.)
It was from changes in diet, for the most part.
Being thin is usually healthy unless a person has an eating disorder, or is skinny from some extreme thing like cancer, or if they live in the arctic, or if they have a reasonable chance of facing a famine in the near future. I've been self-conscious about being skinny for much of my life (my bmi is about 18, even with a lot of muscle tone and strength), but I accept that it's just where my body chooses to be when I eat as much whole, real food as I want. When I was younger and I drank a lot of sugar and ate an unhealthy diet, I didn't gain weight, but instead got excessive cavities and felt bad. Rather than having genes leading to weight gain, I likely have genes related to mineral issues in enamel. A change in diet has largely addressed that. Other people have genes that are more likely to manifest as obesity and related disorders.
Obesity, and in particular excess body fat around the abdomen, is strongly associated with disease, and usually only manifests due to a problem of some variety, rather than being one of the healthy, naturally-occurring body types. (In contrast, being big-boned or voluptuous due to a variety between ethnicities can still be quite healthy, in some cases even healthier than being thin, since the fat is not from metabolic disorder and is not placed around the abdomen). The global epidemic of diabetes and obesity is a complicated mix of economics (poor people have trouble affording healthy food), corporate interests (they influence government nutritional guidelines and even things like doctors' diabetes associations, they market to children, they put soda and Pizza Hut in schools), governments promoting incorrect and outdated nutritional science, people eating out and eating processed foods rather than cooking and eating whole foods, dramatic rises in sugar intake, etc.