Belief and afterlife

[YAW7911]

First I believe in Mysticism, and see deities only as superior beings whose existence we cannot yet comprehend, in other words ultimately indifferent.
So to my understanding (which is sadly little) that if you believe in a certain faith, you would end up in that afterlife. So Say you are Christian, then you will go to Christian Heaven because you are connected to that deity and will thus go to his dimension. If you have a different belief, then you will go to that afterlife. And with your believe, you will be judged to be derived further. In Christian's case, you will have to both believe in Christianity and be evil to go to Hell. And with those who do not have a particular belief, with varying degree of understanding and achievement in terms of spirituality, will be (which is really personal believe) free (and become a being greater than mortal), reincarnated, or bounded in this world (which is what we called ghost, or of course for other reasons such as Necromancy). This I believe also apply to anti-theists.

 

[Thief]

First I believe in Mysticism, and see deities only as superior beings whose existence we cannot yet comprehend, in other words ultimately indifferent.
So to my understanding (which is sadly little) that if you believe in a certain faith, you would end up in that afterlife. So Say you are Christian, then you will go to Christian Heaven because you are connected to that deity and will thus go to his dimension. If you have a different belief, then you will go to that afterlife. And with your believe, you will be judged to be derived further. In Christian's case, you will have to both believe in Christianity and be evil to go to Hell. And with those who do not have a particular belief, with varying degree of understanding and achievement in terms of spirituality, will be (which is really personal believe) free (and become a being greater than mortal), reincarnated, or bounded in this world (which is what we called ghost, or of course for other reasons such as Necromancy). This I believe also apply to anti-theists.

yeah ....we end up alongside others that think and feel as we do

how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?

 

[YAW7911]

yeah ....we end up alongside others that think and feel as we do

how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?

I would consider going to heaven trapping my self in some deity's realm which is terrible for me.
Think of it as entities collecting your soul for some unknowm purpose, after they claim you by you worshipping them.

 

[Thief]

I would consider going to heaven trapping my self in some deity's realm which is terrible for me.
Think of it as entities collecting your soul for some unknowm purpose, after they claim you by you worshipping them.

how about?.....you get turned out to a lesser existence because you lack the ability of a better one?

 

[Muslim-UK]

First I believe in Mysticism, and see deities only as superior beings whose existence we cannot yet comprehend, in other words ultimately indifferent.
So to my understanding (which is sadly little) that if you believe in a certain faith, you would end up in that afterlife. So Say you are Christian, then you will go to Christian Heaven because you are connected to that deity and will thus go to his dimension. If you have a different belief, then you will go to that afterlife. And with your believe, you will be judged to be derived further. In Christian's case, you will have to both believe in Christianity and be evil to go to Hell. And with those who do not have a particular belief, with varying degree of understanding and achievement in terms of spirituality, will be (which is really personal believe) free (and become a being greater than mortal), reincarnated, or bounded in this world (which is what we called ghost, or of course for other reasons such as Necromancy). This I believe also apply to anti-theists.

There are no multiple deities, you say they are indifferent, but yet acknowledge they will reward their believers. So are they indifferent or not?

There are Demons besides Satan that have their own Kingdoms and perhaps people think them as being divine beings, but they will be of zero assistance when you die.

We ALL return to ALLAH swt. Whatever you believe will have to be explained when you stand before Him. If you followed what your forefathers taught blindly, then you will be judged accordingly. There is a vast plain between Hell and Heaven for those who followed the wrong path, but didn't harm others in doing so. Please go and sit there for a time before being allowed into the lowest Heaven.

Why do you accept spiritual deism when we have clear guidance given to us from the first man created?

 

[YAW7911]

There are no multiple deities, you say they are indifferent, but yet acknowledge they will reward their believers. So are they indifferent or not?

There are Demons besides Satan that have their own Kingdoms and perhaps people think them as being divine beings, but they will be of zero assistance when you die.

We ALL return to ALLAH swt. Whatever you believe will have to be explained when you stand before Him. If you followed what your forefathers taught blindly, then you will be judged accordingly. There is a vast plain between Hell and Heaven for those who followed the wrong path, but didn't harm others in doing so. Please go and sit there for a time before being allowed into the lowest Heaven.

Why do you accept spiritual deism when we have clear guidance given to us from the first man created?

First creating men is hardly impressive.
Second there are more being active right now beyond Allah's comprehension than all men ever born. Nor are their existence affected by mortal belief. And they are still inconsequential.
Third the entity in Deism is the actual creator.

 

[Muslim-UK]

First creating men is hardly impressive.

Not sure how you can that considering mankind can't match a creation of God like the humble house fly.

Second there are more being active right now beyond Allah's comprehension than all men ever born. Nor are their existence affected by mortal belief. And they are still inconsequential.

Allah's comprehension is all encompassing. I explained who these lesser beings were.

Third the entity in Deism is the actual creator.

Did this actual creator give you guidance? If so, in what form? Is there a Scripture one can examine?

 

[Thief]

First creating men is hardly impressive.
Second there are more being active right now beyond Allah's comprehension than all men ever born. Nor are their existence affected by mortal belief. And they are still inconsequential.
Third the entity in Deism is the actual creator.

a blend of spirit and substance is not impressive?

and what then IS impressive?

 

[YAW7911]

Not sure how you can that considering mankind can't match a creation of God like the humble house fly.

Allah's comprehension is all encompassing. I explained who these lesser beings were.

Did this actual creator give you guidance? If so, in what form? Is there a Scripture one can examine?

1. To me house fly is a lesser creature but one with potential to become greater, which i will then respect its existence more.
2. Right, all other religions worship demons. You know why Europe ge rid of Catholic influence and why Pagans are revived. I high suggest you to start looking into Zoroastrianism, which is more prominent than Islam in Persian times and less invasive.
3. The fact that you use scripture with specfic instruction means that it holds little value to me.

 

[YAW7911]

a blend of spirit and substance is not impressive?

and what then IS impressive?

It's laughable how Armhamic religions thrive by targetting our sense of superiority.

 

[Muslim-UK]

1. To me house fly is a lesser creature but one with potential to become greater, which i will then respect its existence more.
2. Right, all other religions worship demons. You know why Europe ge rid of Catholic influence and why Pagans are revived. I high suggest you to start looking into Zoroastrianism, which is more prominent than Islam in Persian times and less invasive.
3. The fact that you use scripture with specfic instruction means that it holds little value to me.

I asked to see evidence of your Creator, to show me some Scripture. Zoroastrians worshipped Allah swt, Christians, Jews and Hindus also have a All supreme Creator ALLAH swt. Likewise I'm sure at the heart of Pagan religions is ONE Almighty Creator.

 

[George-ananda]

Belief and afterlife

I have actually looked into this question a lot through paranormal and spiritual evidence and what I have found is that your religious faith is not that important but the quality of your heart and mind is what is important. Actually, I think religion and the afterlife are too connected in most people's worldview. The afterlife is still part of our same lengthy journey (which eventually even includes reincarnation).

 

[YAW7911]

I asked to see evidence of your Creator, to show me some Scripture. Zoroastrians worshipped Allah swt, Christians, Jews and Hindus also have a All supreme Creator ALLAH swt. Likewise I'm sure at the heart of Pagan religions is ONE Almighty Creator.

In many Pagan religions the creator is inactive(dreaming or dead) and deities are just superior beings, this is prominent especially in some Polytheism, and their worshipper know well their head patheon, while related to the creation of mortal world, is not the creator or even primordial.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not all beliefs are created equal.

(I believe that the best pizza is Chicago deep-dish with spinach, black olives, and anchovies.)

 

[Nakosis]

First I believe in Mysticism, and see deities only as superior beings whose existence we cannot yet comprehend, in other words ultimately indifferent.
So to my understanding (which is sadly little) that if you believe in a certain faith, you would end up in that afterlife. So Say you are Christian, then you will go to Christian Heaven because you are connected to that deity and will thus go to his dimension. If you have a different belief, then you will go to that afterlife. And with your believe, you will be judged to be derived further. In Christian's case, you will have to both believe in Christianity and be evil to go to Hell. And with those who do not have a particular belief, with varying degree of understanding and achievement in terms of spirituality, will be (which is really personal believe) free (and become a being greater than mortal), reincarnated, or bounded in this world (which is what we called ghost, or of course for other reasons such as Necromancy). This I believe also apply to anti-theists.

Where do you think atheists will end up?

 

[Muslim-UK]

Where do you think atheists will end up?

That depends on one very simple question; IF God existed would you accept He would be ONE God or do you think there could be multiple gods? Logic in my mind states if there were more than One God, there would be strife and turmoil, with multiple parties vying for control.

btw we use He for God out of respect, He is gender less.

 

[Nakosis]

That depends on one very simple question; IF God existed would you accept He would be ONE God or do you think there could be multiple gods? Logic in my mind states if there were more than One God, there would be strife and turmoil, with multiple parties vying for control.

btw we use He for God out of respect, He is gender less.

I would accept whatever was before me. Being an atheist, I don't have any preconceived ideas about God.

What you seem to be saying is that we control the truth of God. God will be as we believe God to be. Doesn't seemed to be much different than what we have now.

I'd think in this case, for the atheist there would be no God. A godless continuation of existence without a need for a deity.

 

[Muslim-UK]

I would accept whatever was before me. Being an atheist, I don't have any preconceived ideas about God.

What you seem to be saying is that we control the truth of God. God will be as we believe God to be. Doesn't seemed to be much different than what we have now.

I'd think in this case, for the atheist there would be no God. A godless continuation of existence without a need for a deity.

I was trying to determine where your place in the afterlife would be. There were 3 possible destinations and your answer of 'I don't know' means I can't help answer your original question.

 

[Nakosis]

First I believe in Mysticism, and see deities only as superior beings whose existence we cannot yet comprehend, in other words ultimately indifferent.
So to my understanding (which is sadly little) that if you believe in a certain faith, you would end up in that afterlife. So Say you are Christian, then you will go to Christian Heaven because you are connected to that deity and will thus go to his dimension. If you have a different belief, then you will go to that afterlife. And with your believe, you will be judged to be derived further. In Christian's case, you will have to both believe in Christianity and be evil to go to Hell. And with those who do not have a particular belief, with varying degree of understanding and achievement in terms of spirituality, will be (which is really personal believe) free (and become a being greater than mortal), reincarnated, or bounded in this world (which is what we called ghost, or of course for other reasons such as Necromancy). This I believe also apply to anti-theists.

Sorry, I didn't really catch your inclusion of anti-theist at the end.

Since we're talking about personal ideas about what might happen after death. I've felt it'd be like waking from a dream, into a different dream.

You may or may not have some vague recollection of this life, but you'll realize it was only a dream with no real consequences beyond what was experienced as part of the dream.

 

[Nakosis]

I was trying to determine where your place in the afterlife would be. There were 3 possible destinations and your answer of 'I don't know' means I can't help answer your original question.

Yes, it's just speculation, which means there's nothing to support a correct answer even if it is correct.

A person bases their afterlife belief on, not experience, so what? Some explanation that seems reasonable based on whatever influences/experience one has had in life.