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Belief in demons

Belief in demons


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Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
How terrifying!!! I would think you'd believe in God after it went away. :)

I am a little curious though. Why did you call out the name of Jesus if you don't believe in Him? I'm very interested in your answer.

You ask a good question. Here's the long answer.... Fact of the matter is that at the time the experience happened to me I was like 14 years old. At that time I had only been influenced by what I was told about God and spirituality through going to church. I had some belief in God, but nothing really made any sense to me. Later on as I started exploring religion and belief on my own, I came to my own understandings of what I thought God and spirituality was. I believe that everyone has their own personal way of approaching these things and no one should be forced to believe in anything. I am pretty much anti-religious now, but that does not mean that I don't believe in Jesus or the Bible, or demons and angels. It means that I have come to a different understanding of all of it. I believe that Jesus was a real person like anyone else, but more spiritually advanced than others. He was one of the "Awakened Beings" you could say. He tried to heal people and help them to understand things, but most either took it the wrong way or tried to kill him. Human kind could have learned a lot more from him. The bible to me has much wisdom and truth in it, but you're common preacher it would seem has no real understanding of it. They should not just go and preach and yell out verses from something they don't really understand. Science plays a huge factor. The bible actually is very close to what scientists talk about, but you have to be able to read through all the metaphors and find the truth. To me the book of Genesis with surprising accuracy (however simple) describes the whole process of evolution and even the Big Bang theory. When you really begin to understand it it all makes perfect sense. I'll lay it all out for you in both biblical (Genesis) terms and scientific terms..... I may be wrong about some technicalities, so just bare with me. It's just an analogy of mine.

"The darkness over the deep":
This is the energy of unrealized potential. It is like the energy of what could be, but is not yet realized. Call it negative energy.

"The spirit or "breath" of God":
This is the energy of will. It is in my mind what thought energy or instinct is derived from. The Universe you could say has a "mind" of it's own. Call this positive energy.

"The Waters":
These are the first forms of energy in the form of gases and other elements which swirled around and pervaded the early Universe.
These led to the formation of matter.

"Let there be Light!":
Try drawing out the symbol for infinity which looks like the figure 8. In a sense, infinity can be contained. But what happens when infinity itself can't contain all it's energy? Energy can't be destroyed. The energy changes. Notice how there are two open sides, but they are both connected. Imagine one side being the "unrealized potential" or negative and the other side being the "energy of will or spirit" positive. What happens when each side has so much built up energy that it can't possibly go anywhere else? They become ONE. It is right at the intersection of the infinity symbol where the two forces become so great and there is so much energy that they literally push each other together. When this joining happened, it generated so much energy that it literally "created" light. What happens when you push two strong opposing forces together, for instance negative and positive? It clashes and causes a transformation of that energy. Have you ever by accident joined the red "positive" to the green "negative" on your car battery? What happened? Sparks! This is just an analogy of mine so it may not be exactly right. Take it with a grain of salt.

And so, matter was created and with it was formed the big bang and all the stars and planets were created. In a sense, "God" did create the Universe. To me "God" is energy. But back in early times, people did not know what energy really was.

Just as in the Bible, life started out with the simplest life forms, plants, then the animals, and then eventually humans evolved. It is simple really.

The only difference I see is that the Bible was written in such a way that someone who did not know what a billion years was could somehow understand what was going on. The time frames are different. Rather than 5000 years, it was more like 5 billion years that the earth was created. But think about it, what is 5 billions years compared to infinity?

Sorry to make this so long. As you can see, I do believe in certain things, but I see them through a different light. Hope this makes any sense. Thank you for you're question. This analogy may be grossly over-simplified and probably full of technical flaws, but I never claimed to be an expert in physics, or the Bible. It is just a different way of seeing things.
 
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Troublemane

Well-Known Member
(when using magick)I prefer the term "elemental", its more neutral and less dependant upon some nasty monotheistic myth-anthropic gobbeldygook. :D

yes demons exist, but only as projections from our own unconscious minds. If we are afflicted with a demon its part of ourselves we have cast off and disowned, then tried to deny. we experience the demon as a hurt,angry or tricky aspect of self that somehow knows everything about us! GASP!--of course it does, because it is a part of us we have denied.

search into those dark places within you fear to look, and there will be the answer. just feel the hurt the demon represents and it will go away. :angel2:
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
(when using magick)I prefer the term "elemental", its more neutral and less dependant upon some nasty monotheistic myth-anthropic gobbeldygook. :D

yes demons exist, but only as projections from our own unconscious minds. If we are afflicted with a demon its part of ourselves we have cast off and disowned, then tried to deny. we experience the demon as a hurt,angry or tricky aspect of self that somehow knows everything about us! GASP!--of course it does, because it is a part of us we have denied.

search into those dark places within you fear to look, and there will be the answer. just feel the hurt the demon represents and it will go away. :angel2:


Thank you for you're wisdom. I practice shamanism as well. There are "demons" and there are spirits that cause disease and illness. This is all true. But all these things are not necessarily evil. They are forms of misdirected energy. Spirit energy. It's all about the balance. Shamanic practitioner's such as myself, "see" these things as snakes, or spiders, or other creatures in the body. But this is just how things manifest themselves in the "visionary realm of the shaman". Under a microscope they might look like bacteria or viruses or diseases. It may even take the form of severe depression and illness. When a shaman releases a harmful spirit from a person's body, it is basically a means of "getting the snake out" you might say. This is the same way a person who harbors ill thoughts or emotions can have them manifest into a "demon". The "demon" may not want to come out because it is part of you. Sometimes it will make itself known. Sometimes the "demon" will manifest itself into a tumor or cancer. Sometimes we all need a shaman or an exorcist, or doctor for that matter to help us "get a little snake out".

Jesus was a shaman. Possibly one of the best that ever lived.
 
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Heartfelt

Member
Demons are very real...people are possessed by them all the time...If you've ever gotten so angry you could have busted someone in the face and then you look back and wonder why you left yourself get so out of control then you experienced opning the door to the demonic world. If you looked at Charles Manson during his trial for murder you could almost see that he was demon possessed.

Many men allow Porn to have dominion over their lives...that is another form of demonic possession...there are demons all around just waiting for the opportunity to dwell.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Some demons are cultural expectations... like Windigo and Amuk.... they only happen in the culture that believes they exist.
Cultures that believe in demons have demonic incidents, cultures that don't, don't.

Some demons are the result of dangerous brain chemistry.

wa:do
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Some demons are cultural expectations... like Windigo and Amuk.... they only happen in the culture that believes they exist.
Cultures that believe in demons have demonic incidents, cultures that don't, don't.

Some demons are the result of dangerous brain chemistry.

wa:do

Some cultures dont believe in AIDS either.

Heneni
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Demons are very real...people are possessed by them all the time...If you've ever gotten so angry you could have busted someone in the face and then you look back and wonder why you left yourself get so out of control then you experienced opning the door to the demonic world. If you looked at Charles Manson during his trial for murder you could almost see that he was demon possessed.

Many men allow Porn to have dominion over their lives...that is another form of demonic possession...there are demons all around just waiting for the opportunity to dwell.


I don't agree with the porn thing. There is nothing wrong with a healthy sex life. More demons are caused when religion forces people to hold back their natural desires and make them do very bad, sometimes unnatural things, or like have sex before marriage and then feel incredibly bad and guilty for having done it. That feeling of overwhelming guilt alone can stir up a nasty demon, but it is not always the person's fault for being human and acting on human impulses. Demons just love it when religious people take every simple act and turn it into a great SIN. We might as well all be living in hell already. Some people seem to dwell with the notion of sin and that is all they preach. This is why I am anti-religious. They make demons out of everything. I do agree though, that there are some manipulated and twisted individuals out there that are basically walking demons. I agree that some forms of porn are sick, twisted and evil, but you can't burn down the whole forest because of a couple rotten trees.

And so it would seem that one person's demon, is another person's angel.:shrug::D
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
It would seem that what most people refer to as "demons" are actually just psychological rather than anything supernatural.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Show me a photo of a demon and its specific attributes, infection vector and symptoms and I might see this as valid.

wa:do


A few hundred years ago i wouldnt be able to give you a photo of an aids virus. Just because i cant show you a photo of a demon, it must surely make you feel comfortable that it does not exist. Im afraid you cant dismiss demons just because YOU cant see them, or sense them.

Heneni
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
It would seem that what most people refer to as "demons" are actually just psychological rather than anything supernatural.

This is how I see it. There is no "supernatural" anything out there. There are the things that exist in nature, and there are the things that are created through human manipulation of energy. Demons are a manipulation of thoughts and energy. They can manifest themselves and become very real if we let them. Hypothetically, if "God" actually existed, that would mean it was purely natural (not supernatural) that He existed in the first place.
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
A few hundred years ago i wouldnt be able to give you a photo of an aids virus. Just because i cant show you a photo of a demon, it must surely make you feel comfortable that it does not exist. Im afraid you cant dismiss demons just because YOU cant see them, or sense them.

Heneni

It did not quite sound to me like "painted wolf" was dismissing the existence of demons. It sounded more like a different cultural definition of what a demon was. Native American beliefs have their own versions of "demons". Demons can take any shape or form.
 
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painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
It did not quite sound to me like "painted wolf" was dismissing the existence of demons. It sounded more like a different cultural definition of what a demon was. Native American beliefs have their own versions of "demons". Demons can take any shape or form.
exactly. :D
In fact I've seen a wendigo... but was what I saw genuine or a cultural expectation?
At this point I'm not sure, but it was an interesting experience.

A few hundred years ago i wouldnt be able to give you a photo of an aids virus. Just because i cant show you a photo of a demon, it must surely make you feel comfortable that it does not exist. Im afraid you cant dismiss demons just because YOU cant see them, or sense them.
before you insist that I'm dismissing demons, perhaps you should reread my post and check my answer to the poll. :cool:

wa:do
 

.lava

Veteran Member
A few hundred years ago i wouldnt be able to give you a photo of an aids virus. Just because i cant show you a photo of a demon, it must surely make you feel comfortable that it does not exist. Im afraid you cant dismiss demons just because YOU cant see them, or sense them.

Heneni

true. human usually can't see if demon did not want to show himself. animals can see them. i have no doubt people, even though they don't have their 'eye of heart' opened, see demons but they don't recognize them. demons could have shape of a man, woman or an animal. someday that curtain between 4th and 5th dimensions would vanish away as it gets thinner as time goes by. it would be as it was before Mohammad (PBUH) arrived. that would be one of the signs of the end. then many would believe they are Gods (or aliens) as they did before.

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Weddy

Forgiven
Demons are very real...people are possessed by them all the time...If you've ever gotten so angry you could have busted someone in the face and then you look back and wonder why you left yourself get so out of control then you experienced opning the door to the demonic world. If you looked at Charles Manson during his trial for murder you could almost see that he was demon possessed.

Many men allow Porn to have dominion over their lives...that is another form of demonic possession...there are demons all around just waiting for the opportunity to dwell.

I do believe in people being possessed by demons, however, you can't blame all of your sins on demons. They may tempt you, but if you're a child of God you can not be possessed by a demon. Your sins are the result of your weakness to temptations.
 
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