Belief in God will always require ‘some’ faith

[Trailblazer]

Belief in God will always require ‘some’ faith because we can never see God or hear God speak to us directly.

However, it is my contention that the better the evidence we have of God’s existence the less faith we will require in order to believe in God. In other words, there is an inverse correlation between good evidence and faith required to believe in God.

I will even contend that with good enough evidence we can know in our own minds that God exists even though we can never prove it to anyone else.

 

[viole]

Belief in God will always require ‘some’ faith because we can never see God or hear God speak to us directly.

However, it is my contention that the better the evidence we have of God’s existence the less faith we will require in order to believe in God. In other words, there is an inverse correlation between good evidence and faith required to believe in God.

I will even contend that with good enough evidence we can know in our own minds that God exists even thou we can never prove it to anyone else.

I agree.
the only little problem is that you have zero of that evidence.

So, your argument is not much better than saying that the better evidence we have that Superman exists the less faith we will require to believe in Superman.

Do such arguments really give you confidence in your faith? If they do, I am happy for you.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Trailblazer]

I agree.
the only little problem is that you have zero of that evidence.

I have the only evidence that God provides, which I consider to be good evidence.

 

[stvdv]

Belief in God will always require ‘some’ faith because we can never see God or hear God speak to us directly

It starts with Faith
Until your Guru Grants you experience
Then you know

 

[The Crimson Universe]

However, it is my contention that the better the evidence we have of God’s existence

Does God speaking to us in dreams count as evidence of His existence?

 

[Ella S.]

With good enough evidence, you should be able to prove it to others

 

[Nakosis]

With good enough evidence, you should be able to prove it to others

Especially since we can't rely on our own personal perception.

 

[Trailblazer]

Does God speaking to us in dreams count as evidence of His existence?

I think it does. It is evidence to us, although it is not evidence to other people.

 

[Trailblazer]

With good enough evidence, you should be able to prove it to others

No, not necessarily, because what is evidence to John is not evidence to Mary, not unless John and Mary view evidence the same way. That is why there is no universal evidence of God's existence that everyone can agree upon.

 

[Ella S.]

No, not necessarily, because what is evidence to John is not evidence to Mary, not unless John and Mary view evidence the same way. That is why there is no universal evidence of God's existence that everyone can agree upon.

I never said that it should be convincing to everyone, but "good evidence" requires inter-subjective agreement and peer-review.

 

[viole]

I have the only evidence that God provides, which I consider to be good evidence.

So, you have evidence of God, because God provided that evidence?

Cia0

- viole

 

[Trailblazer]

Especially since we can't rely on our own personal perception.

What we believe about God will be based upon our own personal perceptions of the evidence, which is subjective, since there is no objective evidence of God that everyone will agree upon.

 

[Trailblazer]

I never said that it should be convincing to everyone, but "good evidence" requires inter-subjective agreement and peer-review.

Why would good evidence for God require inter-subjective agreement and peer-review?

 

[Trailblazer]

So, you have evidence of God, because God provided that evidence?

Yes, how else do you think I could procure evidence? I cannot go to where God exists to see God or hear His Voice.

 

[viole]

What we believe about God will be based upon our own personal perceptions of the evidence, which is subjective, since there is no objective evidence of God that everyone will agree upon.

In the same way there is no evidence of Superman that everyone would agree on.
Does that make you confident?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Yes, how else do you think I could procure evidence? I cannot go to where God exists to see God or hear His Voice.

What evidence are you procuring? You have zero evidence that could be used to infer the existence of any god.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nakosis]

What we believe about God will be based upon our own personal perceptions of the evidence, which is subjective, since there is no objective evidence of God that everyone will agree upon.

So, if in my perception, there is no God, is that equally valid?

 

[Ella S.]

Why would good evidence for God require inter-subjective agreement and peer-review?

Inter-subjective agreement is one of the minimum criteria of epistemology as a whole, because to prove that something is external to one's mind you need to demonstrate that other minds can independently verify it.

Peer-review is one of the highest standards of good evidence and it's the backbone of all scholarly fields, because there could be an error in your reasoning that other people are better equipped to catch.

Without these two things, you do not have good evidence. You have anecdotal evidence, potentially even confabulation.

 

[Trailblazer]

In the same way there is no evidence of Superman that everyone would agree on.
Does that make you confident?

Ciao

- viole

No, because there is no evidence for Superman that anyone would agree on since Superman is known to be a fictional character.

 

[viole]

No, because there is no evidence for Superman that anyone would agree on since Superman is known to be a fictional character.

And what makes you think your God is not a fictional character?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Trailblazer]

So, if in my perception, there is no God, is that equally valid?

It is valid for you.
Since God cannot be proven to exist or not exist, the atheist position is just as valid as the believer perception.
It is ALL in how we view the evidence or lack thereof.