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Belief in God . . .

pdoel

Active Member
I was watching Miracle on 34th Street this weekend (the new one). Towards the end, the whole courtroom battle trying to prove if Santa exists, got me to thinking.

Why is it that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, aliens, or any type of creature we don't "see", we'd laugh at them. Many people would actually consider you crazy for having such a belief.

But, at the same time, most of us accept that God is real. A being just as invisible to us all. The idea that Santa could live in the North Pole, have elves working for him, and make tons of toys for all the children of the world, and deliver them in one night is laughable.

Yet, the idea of a being that created the entire universe, who can listen to and answer millions of prayers a minute, and know each and every one of us, is completely believable?
 

Ori

Angel slayer
pdoel said:
I was watching Miracle on 34th Street this weekend (the new one). Towards the end, the whole courtroom battle trying to prove if Santa exists, got me to thinking.

Why is it that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, aliens, or any type of creature we don't "see", we'd laugh at them. Many people would actually consider you crazy for having such a belief.

But, at the same time, most of us accept that God is real. A being just as invisible to us all. The idea that Santa could live in the North Pole, have elves working for him, and make tons of toys for all the children of the world, and deliver them in one night is laughable.

Yet, the idea of a being that created the entire universe, who can listen to and answer millions of prayers a minute, and know each and every one of us, is completely believable?
Obviously it's believeable enough for those who believe, as long as their beliefs are not pushed on others I have no problem with it.

I do believe in aliens though, oddly enough. :biglaugh:
 

RAZBERRY

Member
pdoel said:
I was watching Miracle on 34th Street this weekend (the new one). Towards the end, the whole courtroom battle trying to prove if Santa exists, got me to thinking.

Why is it that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, aliens, or any type of creature we don't "see", we'd laugh at them. Many people would actually consider you crazy for having such a belief.

But, at the same time, most of us accept that God is real. A being just as invisible to us all. The idea that Santa could live in the North Pole, have elves working for him, and make tons of toys for all the children of the world, and deliver them in one night is laughable.

Yet, the idea of a being that created the entire universe, who can listen to and answer millions of prayers a minute, and know each and every one of us, is completely believable?
As opposed to the "big bang" and evolving from mud?--Yep, I'll accept the intelligent design theory. God bless. :)
 

SoyLeche

meh...
While it is true that I have never actually seen him, I have felt his presence in my life and seen his works in my life and the lives of those around me. I have my evidence.

Just curious, do you belive in things like Quarks and Black holes? Because I'm pretty sure you've never seen either one.
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
RAZBERRY said:
As opposed to the "big bang" and evolving from mud?--Yep, I'll accept the intelligent design theory. God bless. :)
Are you serious? Have you studied any scientific documents on the big bang and evolution? Or just christian bashing drivel designed to point out evolution flaws that don't exist?
 

Beck63Don

Member
pdoel said:
I was watching Miracle on 34th Street this weekend (the new one). Towards the end, the whole courtroom battle trying to prove if Santa exists, got me to thinking.

Why is it that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, aliens, or any type of creature we don't "see", we'd laugh at them. Many people would actually consider you crazy for having such a belief.

But, at the same time, most of us accept that God is real. A being just as invisible to us all. The idea that Santa could live in the North Pole, have elves working for him, and make tons of toys for all the children of the world, and deliver them in one night is laughable.

Yet, the idea of a being that created the entire universe, who can listen to and answer millions of prayers a minute, and know each and every one of us, is completely believable?
I believe the Goddess and God exist. Beyond the Goddess and God is the Ultimate Mystery, but we can know so little about that -- it's beyond our comprehension. Santa is just a myth, albeit a good one.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
pdoel said:
Why is it that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, aliens, or any type of creature we don't "see", we'd laugh at them. Many people would actually consider you crazy for having such a belief.
They do the same for Christianity and mock us as often as possible.

The premise of Santa Claus? Presents from him under the tree. I have yet to see them.

The premise of Christianity? Freedom from sin and yourself. This I have witnessed FIRAT HAND
 

Fluffy

A fool
Why is it that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, aliens, or any type of creature we don't "see", we'd laugh at them. Many people would actually consider you crazy for having such a belief.
It is only more laughable because it is more unusual than, say, believing in reality, which is equally as likely.

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michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Master Vigil said:
Are you serious? Have you studied any scientific documents on the big bang and evolution? Or just christian bashing drivel designed to point out evolution flaws that don't exist?
Careful MV, you're starting to sound 'grumpy'..........

pdoel said:
I was watching Miracle on 34th Street this weekend (the new one). Towards the end, the whole courtroom battle trying to prove if Santa exists, got me to thinking.

Why is it that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, aliens, or any type of creature we don't "see", we'd laugh at them. Many people would actually consider you crazy for having such a belief.

But, at the same time, most of us accept that God is real. A being just as invisible to us all. The idea that Santa could live in the North Pole, have elves working for him, and make tons of toys for all the children of the world, and deliver them in one night is laughable.

Yet, the idea of a being that created the entire universe, who can listen to and answer millions of prayers a minute, and know each and every one of us, is completely believable?
Yet, the idea of a being that created the entire universe, who can listen to and answer millions of prayers a minute, and know each and every one of us, is completely believable?
God is immesurable; he is so different from any being that we know about that to try a give him 'functions' is impossible.

Santa is not real............well, unless you know something we don't; aliens have been claimed to have been seen my many, but then the Airforce has never detected anything totally awry, that they could prove. We can disprove Santa, and aliens (until someone has proof) but God ? We are required to believe in him without any proof; that's the difference.
 

Darkdale

World Leader Pretend
pdoel said:
Yet, the idea of a being that created the entire universe, who can listen to and answer millions of prayers a minute, and know each and every one of us, is completely believable?

Some superstitions are more meaningful than others. Folk are likely to believe in gods that give meaning and purpose to their lives.
 

pdoel

Active Member
ladylazarus said:
How is the idea of Santa more laughable than the idea of god?
Exactly.

Now, don't get me wrong. I do believe in God. I just find it strange that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, we'd think they're nuts. If someone were to say they were Jesus, we would lock them up.

Yet, each and every day, we pray to someone who is just as invisible as Santa. And, if you really really think about it, the concept of God is actually a bit tougher to grasp than that of Santa Claus.

I just find it strange that so many believe in something with no proof on faith alone. Yet, would laugh at many of these other beliefs.
 

RAZBERRY

Member
Master Vigil said:
Are you serious? Have you studied any scientific documents on the big bang and evolution? Or just christian bashing drivel designed to point out evolution flaws that don't exist?
Yes, I'm serious. I can't say I've done a great deal of studying, however, I've read a few articles, some submitted by educated Christians--Imagine that, Christ followers with real bonafide degrees and all!
:woohoo:
Didn't DNA throw a bit of a monkey wrench into the evolution theory, or is that the non-existent flaw you spoke of? :)
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
RAZBERRY said:
Yes, I'm serious. I can't say I've done a great deal of studying, however, I've read a few articles, some submitted by educated Christians--Imagine that, Christ followers with real bonafide degrees and all!
:woohoo:
Didn't DNA throw a bit of a monkey wrench into the evolution theory, or is that the non-existent flaw you spoke of? :)
I suggest you do a better deal of studying before you get all serious on us.
 

RAZBERRY

Member
Master Vigil said:
I suggest you do a better deal of studying before you get all serious on us.
"us"--You sound as if you're speaking for all. Am I the lone, ignorant Christian amongst the vast majority of non-believing intellectuals? :eek:
I'd prefer to spend time studying the Word of God rather than the words of men.
 

Beck63Don

Member
RAZBERRY said:
I'd prefer to spend time studying the Word of God rather than the words of men.
That's fine if you want to study the words of God rather than the words of men. But just don't pretend to know anything about evolution if you are unwilling to study it.
 

Fluffy

A fool
How is the idea of Santa more laughable than the idea of god?
It isn't. Now tell me why the idea of your computer is less laughable than either.

"us"--You sound as if you're speaking for all. Am I the lone, ignorant Christian amongst the vast majority of non-believing intellectuals? :eek:
I'd prefer to spend time studying the Word of God rather than the words of men.
I agree with Lady Moon. You can't claim knowledge of a subject whilst admitting ignorance to it at the same time.
 

fromthe heart

Well-Known Member
pdoel said:
Exactly.

Now, don't get me wrong. I do believe in God. I just find it strange that if someone were to say they believe in Santa, we'd think they're nuts. If someone were to say they were Jesus, we would lock them up.

Yet, each and every day, we pray to someone who is just as invisible as Santa. And, if you really really think about it, the concept of God is actually a bit tougher to grasp than that of Santa Claus.

I just find it strange that so many believe in something with no proof on faith alone. Yet, would laugh at many of these other beliefs.
WELL...they DID lock Jesus up didn't they? then they killed Him...or tried but He overcame death because He is the Son of God...We can believe in Santa if we like...but I know I've never seen anything come into my life that was connected with him...HOWEVER...I can feel God's pressence unlike that of Saint Nicolas.(santa clause). There HAS to be some reason down through ALL time we have passed on the realness of God through the generations so when you look back to when all aliens,santa,etc...came about...there is a point in time where it began to be a public idea...but God on the other hand has been throughout the ages in all nations and focus of beliefs in all countries...does this not seem to make God more of an "In the beginning" kinda deal that has transcended throughout all of time?
 

drekmed

Member
RAZBERRY said:
"us"--You sound as if you're speaking for all. Am I the lone, ignorant Christian amongst the vast majority of non-believing intellectuals? :eek:
I'd prefer to spend time studying the Word of God rather than the words of men.
the "us" im sure that is being referred to is those of us that like serious well thoughtout debates on subjects like this.
you say you prefer studying the word of god rather than the words of men. what is the difference between the two? cannot the words of men inspire or inflame as much if not more so on both accounts than the Word of God? and how do you know that when you read the Word of God, that you are actually reading the words of god instead of just the words of men?

Drekmed
 

Solon

Active Member
No, you Christians suffer from mass delusions. You feel God because *you* want to believe. The myth of the Nazerine is the opium of the self-deluded.

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