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Bhagavad gita

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Friend Kriya Yogi,



Now, respond to these:
Within consciousness, is there any high / low??
In consciousness is there any I / WE ???

Love & rgds

Yes when a soul is covered by the veil of maya they must go through an evolution of consciousness starting from low to high. This consciousness that sees this world as real and our egos and lives as real and separate from God and all expressions of God that is called the "I." When we reunite with God that little "I" merges with infinity as God and it finally escapes the narrow confines of our narrow reality of "I" or ego.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend kriya Yoga,

The question remains unresponded.
It was simply *within consciousness is there any I / WE or HIGH /LOW???*

yes / no ???

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend kaisersose,

The "I" is my identity that recognizes myself apart from everything around me. Without this recognition, the body is either asleep or in a vegetative state or dead.

Here you are the perceiver; where did the perceiver come from??

Love & rgds
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Friend kriya Yoga,

The question remains unresponded.
It was simply *within consciousness is there any I / WE or HIGH /LOW???*

yes / no ???

Love & rgds

In reality no the "we" and "I" is a delusion. God is the only reality. I hope that answers your question.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Kriya Yoga,

Is the understanding reached about the fact that whatever seen or do unseen are all manifestation of the same *God* you speak off??

If YES then where did this *I* come from, where or who creates that division??

Love & rgds
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Friend Kriya Yoga,

Is the understanding reached about the fact that whatever seen or do unseen are all manifestation of the same *God* you speak off??

If YES then where did this *I* come from, where or who creates that division??

Love & rgds

Yes everything is God and done by God.

The second question has been a difficult question for me to figure out. It would seem that God created the veil of separation upon every soul, but it could have been caused by each individual soul themselves. We all could have been angels and fully God realized at one point and then through our ability to explore physical universes we could have slowly but surely fell from grace and forgot our divinity. I want to believe my second statement since I don't want to give God the blame for the ignorance of his existance in all beings
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend KY,

The mind there is jumping.
Slow it down.

This whole maya / illusion is also created as otherwise there would be no enjoyment it would be too monotonous.
The point now is if one as a form [evolved] is also part of *God* then why do we call it *I*???
Who is this *I*??
Personal understanding and search for this *I* always left with the understanding that *am only a part of that *WHOLE* [god]in human form!
There is no difference between this individual form labelled *me* with any other form or no-forms except that illusions created by the minds when active and when made still it again unites. Duality is mind created and religion or paths all are ways to still the mind.

Love & rgds
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend kaisersos,

From nowhere.

Why do you think the perceiver should have come from somewhere? Please explain.

Yes, in a way it is correct; in that sense there is nowhere to go either!
If there is anywhere it is HERE-NOW!

Love & rgds
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Friend KY,

The mind there is jumping.
Slow it down.

This whole maya / illusion is also created as otherwise there would be no enjoyment it would be too monotonous.
The point now is if one as a form [evolved] is also part of *God* then why do we call it *I*???
Who is this *I*??
Personal understanding and search for this *I* always left with the understanding that *am only a part of that *WHOLE* [god]in human form!
There is no difference between this individual form labelled *me* with any other form or no-forms except that illusions created by the minds when active and when made still it again unites. Duality is mind created and religion or paths all are ways to still the mind.

Love & rgds

Yes mind creates the "I." What was trying to be answered was how did mind come into play. Where did this mind start and by whom? God or ourselves?
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend KY,

It needs to be understood firmly that this whole universe is only ONE which are in various forms including the MIND.

Love & rgds
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Friend KY,

It needs to be understood firmly that this whole universe is only ONE which are in various forms including the MIND.

Love & rgds

I do understand that. However, the question is still not being answered. When did delusion or mind start? Was it a falling of our own God consciousness or are we placed in delusion at a lower level of consciousness forced to rise above our own mind and back with God?
 

atmarama

Struggling Spiritualist
Meh. All Gita translations have their biases, quirks and schools of thought. I remember purchasing a translation and commentary (by his disciple) by Paramahamsa Yogananda, and found the translation to be *completely* away from the Sanskrit, even moreso biased towards their practice of kriya yoga than anything else! Disappointed, I did send it to the local used bookstore the next day.

This little paragraph is from the introduction to 'Srimad Bhagavad-gita: The Hidden Treasure of the Sweet Absolute' by Srila Sridhar Maharaj, a very famous proponent and philosopher-saint in the Gaudiya Vaishnava community. I found it very inspiring!

That is very inspiring! Thank you for posting that bhai!

Besides, just as I quoted above, "The devotees of the Lord (bhagavad-bhaktas) and persons on the paths of action, knowledge and yoga (karmis, jnanis and yogis) will each find the essence of their paths dealt with in a comprehensive and illuminating manner, and thus the book is highly esteemed by all." -- Srila Sridhar Maharaj

Sanskrit seems to have a way that it can be translated according to the school of thought of the translator. I have read Vaishnava translations of the Gita that emphasise one's love for Krishna or Vishnu and advocate bhakti-yoga as the purpose of the Gita, via Gita 18.66. Other Gitas I have read focus on karma-yoga, which is but philanthropic activity or humanitarian work. And of course, there are translations like that of the Self-Realization Fellowship, which focus on kriya-yoga.

They may not be wrong... but they may be useless to the person whose goal in life may not be the same as the philosophical school ey adheres to.

Agreed :).

whenever I think of babajis, I think of bhajan in one's dottage like this [can anyone guess the mantra he's singing as he plays the harmonium?]:
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Aindra dasa prabhu ki jaya!

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna,
Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare,
Hare Rama, Hare Rama,
Rama Rama, Hare Hare!

satatam kirtayanto mam, yatantash cha drdha-vratah
namasyantash cha mam bhaktya, nitya-yukta upasate


"They continually chant My glories, strive to learn spiritual truths about Me and faithfully follow the devotional practices. Bowing to me and worshipping Me with devotion, they aspire for their eternal relationship with Me."

-- Srimad Bhagavad-gita: The Hidden Treasure of the Absolute, 9.14

Hare Krsna Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare

Here is a link to the Sri Siksastaka by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He appeared around 500 years ago in Bengal and in the form of Krsna's devotee in the mood of Srimati Radharani. He left only 8 slokas of his instructions in writing, and they describe the glories of the Holy Names of the Lord and the mood one must have to chant and to be a devotee. What follows are two of Aindra Prabhu's favorite verses.
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[SIZE=+1]Sri Siksastakam[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]trinad api sunichena
taror api sahishnuna
amanina manadena
kirtaniyah sada harih

One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw in the street; one should be more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige, and should be ready to offer all respect to others. In such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]nayanam galad-ashru-dharaya
vadanam gadgada-ruddhaya gira
pulakair nichitam vapuh kada
tava nama-grahane bhavishyati

O my Lord, when will my eyes be decorated with tears of love flowing constantly when I chant Your holy name? When will my voice choke up, and when will the hairs of my body stand on end at the recitation of Your name?[/SIZE]

Aindra Prabhu ki Jaya!!!:bow:
I am fortunate enough to be going to the holy dhama this december, but unfortunate in that I will be unable to take the association of Aindra Prabhu...


Babaji is Krishna

This is not accepted by any bone fide Vaisnava tradition. :no:

A dog is not good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not a good man because he is a good talker [or writer] -Lord Buddha

Wise words from the buddha man :)

Vaishnavas do not believe that Krishna is just an advanced soul... but that He is either a) God Himself or b) a pure and full incarnation of God and His qualities. The Gita continuously attests to Krishna as God Himself, especially sandwiched in the chapters 7-12.

Also, perhaps Kriya-yoga is the essence of all Yoga paths... to you... to me, Bhakti-yoga is the essence of Yoga-paths, found in the Gita. To others, all Yoga paths lead to God.

This is what I love about Hindu Dharma; it's full of discrepancies (at least at its external level); your head just might explode! :p

Agreed. :D

Bhagavan Sri Krsna ki Jaya! Gaura premanande! Hari haribol!
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend KY,

When did delusion or mind start? Was it a falling of our own God consciousness or are we placed in delusion at a lower level of consciousness forced to rise above our own mind and back with God?

Since personally am yet to reach to such a state to know exactly when the mind developed that the *I* started appearing but surely it appears to be present with the evolution of humans besides as you can understand it is at the lower level of consciousness that harmony turns to disharmony and delusions [noise] created.

Love & rgds
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
Friend KY,



Since personally am yet to reach to such a state to know exactly when the mind developed that the *I* started appearing but surely it appears to be present with the evolution of humans besides as you can understand it is at the lower level of consciousness that harmony turns to disharmony and delusions [noise] created.

Love & rgds

Agreed, I believe ego or mind starts with human consciousness. Do you believe in evolution of consciousness from every soul? That everyone must evolve from millions if not billions of lifetimes of other lower animal, plant, and smaller lifeforms. If so then it would seem that this veil of maya was placed upon us by God.
 
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Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
This is not accepted by any bone fide Vaisnava tradition. :no:

That's fine. Wasn't trying to impose on anyones beliefs. I was just reiterating what the great babji and other avatars such as Lihiri Mahasaya, Paramahansa Yoganandaji, Sri Yukteswarji, and other spiritually advanced souls have said.
 

kaisersose

Active Member
There is no such thing as a "bonafide" tradition.

What makes one bonafide?

1) A Guru who was/is an avatar? Most Gurus in India are considered avatars by their followers. So that is not it.

2) A claim of an unbroken chain from Brahma or someone? Again, there is no dearth of such claims in India. Everyone claims an "unbroken" chain from higher up which has value only to the followers of that specific group.
 

Kriya Yogi

Dharma and Love for God
There is no such thing as a "bonafide" tradition.

What makes one bonafide?

1) A Guru who was/is an avatar? Most Gurus in India are considered avatars by their followers. So that is not it.

2) A claim of an unbroken chain from Brahma or someone? Again, there is no dearth of such claims in India. Everyone claims an "unbroken" chain from higher up which has value only to the followers of that specific group.

1) I don't want to get into a debate about what is what but souls that are fully free in God and born out of freewill to help enlighten the world are avatars. Babaji Krishna is widely known and unmistakenly as a Avatar. Lihiri Mahasaya, Sri Yukteswar, and Paramahansa Yogananda are all Avatars as well. The lives they lived and the deep spiritual wisdom they exemplified are nothing but what an Avatar could exemplify. They are as bonafide as it gets because they are manifestations of pure God. God was the only thing that is expressed in their consciousness.
 
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bhaktajan

Active Member
From nowhere.

Why do you think the perceiver should have come from somewhere? Please explain.

It is the status quo.

All basic laws of physics or what have you [ie: 2+2=4] is are superimpositions of the most rudimentary rules ie: the absolute truth that, "2+2=4" is the same when buying candy & when designing rocketships to the moon.

There is no such thing as a "bonafide" tradition.

What makes one bonafide?

1) A Guru who was/is an avatar? Most Gurus in India are considered avatars by their followers. So that is not it.

2) A claim of an unbroken chain from Brahma or someone? Again, there is no dearth of such claims in India. Everyone claims an "unbroken" chain from higher up which has value only to the followers of that specific group.

What makes one bonafide? ---in example:
"How does one made aware of who their real father is?" By asking one's Mother!
Krishna is speaking in the Gita! One can start and stay there on this point.

What makes one bonafide "RECIPE"? What makes one a NON-bonafide "RECIPE"?
There is no dearth of NON-bonafide "RECIPES"
The gourmet Recipes are the most praised.

All "claim of an unbroken chain" are what LAW SCHOOLS discuss.
Defacto facts that are in-alienable form the bulwark of all schools of Knowledge.
All skills are patented "claims of a science" that was derived and developed from knowledge from "an unbroken chain".
All tradesmen will attest to the apprenticeship training they went through ---any tradesmen is aware of bonefide methodologies.

IE: All the people of the world are existing in the same spot of the universe.
All the stars exist within the same expanse of this universe.
All people alive now, weather 5 years old o 100 years old are eachothers 'contempories' and all will die.

All Humanity is undergoing, down throught the passage of history a "bonafide" tradition" of a common human-experience ---some tribes get bogged down in the Hills while others set up capitol Buildings ---all sring forth from family linages that are born to their lots in life due their cultivated karma from past works.

there is no dearth of such claims in India.
That is why Vyasadeva compiled the Bhagavata-Purana ---so as to put all Vedic topics in perspective; showing the Historical relationship of all the tributaries that pour down from heights unknown, until they are imparted from above.

The status Quo of our Babel epoch leaves one soberingly witnessing and lamenting the indifference of those "pulled along with the stream".

We must rise above the stream of material distractions, and DEFINE THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
 
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