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Bhutto Dead!

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Done here.
It was the first thing I saw when I got up this morning. Discouraging. I'm not a great admirer of hers, but it doesn't bode well for Pakistan.
 
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dufus
It is a sad day for the world when a few with no regard for any life, not even their own, make the decision for everone with a bullet and a bomb. It is the responsibility of ALL the worlds Muslims to adamantly and aggressively condemn this.
 
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dufus
This is my first post and i don't want come off as particularly hard nosed but it seems that Islam has been hijacked by a bunch of thugs. The perpetrators of this crime had to know that it would lead to the deaths of more innocent Muslims. I must also clarify that by aggressive I mean more in the spirit of Martin Luther King.
 
Quoth The Raven

Quoth The Raven

Half Arsed Muse
penguino said:
Pakistan is in a right state. But she brought it upon her self.
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I'm sorry, I realise you're only young (and trust me, I've moderated this post because of that) but by saying,'She brought it on herself' you're making it sound justified. What exactly justifies an assassination, do you think? Did Martin Luther King perhaps bring it upon himself as well? Probably he did really, by not sitting at home in the kitchen having a nice cup of tea instead of going out an ******* people off. JFK should have expected to end up with his brains all over his wife's frock by going around in an open car, and Lincoln most assuredly deserved a hole in the head for going to the theatre. Do rape victims bring it upon themselves by walking down a dark street at night in a short skirt, do you think? Or does it take extra effort to bring it upon yourself, do you think? Perhaps going out with a guy you've known half your life and then not wanting to have sex after he's bought you dinner?
No-one deserves to have their lives cut short in a violent fashion, just because someone doesn't like who they are or what they stand for.
What about the other 20 people that were killed? Did they bring it on themselves as well? :sarcastic
 
Don Penguinoini

Don Penguinoini

Modi.
Quoth The Raven said:
I'm sorry, I realise you're only young (and trust me, I've moderated this post because of that) but by saying,'She brought it on herself' you're making it sound justified. What exactly justifies an assassination, do you think? Did Martin Luther King perhaps bring it upon himself as well? Probably he did really, by not sitting at home in the kitchen having a nice cup of tea instead of going out an ******* people off. JFK should have expected to end up with his brains all over his wife's frock by going around in an open car, and Lincoln most assuredly deserved a hole in the head for going to the theatre. Do rape victims bring it upon themselves by walking down a dark street at night in a short skirt, do you think? Or does it take extra effort to bring it upon yourself, do you think? Perhaps going out with a guy you've known half your life and then not wanting to have sex after he's bought you dinner?
No-one deserves to have their lives cut short in a violent fashion, just because someone doesn't like who they are or what they stand for.
What about the other 20 people that were killed? Did they bring it on themselves as well? :sarcastic
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Im not sayign she deserved it, AT ALL. She didnt deserve it. After the suicide attack in Karachi she should have taken it as a sign. There were also letters sent to her saying that women would get close and kill her too. She should have been wary. She knew her husband used to take money out of the country, she knew the people didnt like that. She should have really thought about her status among the suicide bombers.

Im sorry she died, its not like i wanted her to die, where the hell did that come from? Dont put words into my mouth.
 
nutshell

nutshell

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penguino said:
Im not sayign she deserved it, AT ALL. She didnt deserve it. After the suicide attack in Karachi she should have taken it as a sign. There were also letters sent to her saying that women would get close and kill her too. She should have been wary. She knew her husband used to take money out of the country, she knew the people didnt like that. She should have really thought about her status among the suicide bombers.

Im sorry she died, its not like i wanted her to die, where the hell did that come from? Dont put words into my mouth.
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Quoth didn't put words into your mouth. What you said was offensive. And what you're saying now is too. Do you really think she wasn't wary??? Give me a break.:rolleyes:
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
penguino said:
How was it offensive?
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penguino said:
She obviously was not wary enough.
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I will come to your defense Lord Penguino. I think Nutshell is off base here. OBVIOUSLY, there was a lapse in her security; therefore it is truthful to say that she was not wary enough. Frankly, if I was her, I would have expected suicide bombers and mad gunpersons behind every corner as she has a polarizing personality in her country; much like Hillary has in the good ol' U.S. of A.

Quite often political leaders eschew "heavy" defense for many reasons.
1. There want to be seen as a person OF the people who can walk around like everyone else. The only problem with this is that is not conducive to longevity, given current political realities.
2. Heavy protection can be very intrusive as Security calls the shots, no pun intended, and the politician is like a protected jewel.
3. This IS Pakistan we are talking about and there is every possibility someone in her Security detail was in on the assassination. Indira Gandhi ring a bell here?

Aside from this she has already spoken out on the subject of Extremist or Radical Muslims and vowed to clamp down on them. That probably got her the death sentence right there as I rather expect the Radical Muslims would not have been very understanding of her aims. Security should have been tightened in EXPECTATION of reprisals for her comments.

I guess it is reasonable to assume that her killers think that nothing says "Allah Akbar" better than a suicide bomb belt and a couple of bullets. No wonder Musharef is trying to turn power over to someone else. :sad4:
 
nutshell

nutshell

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
I will come to your defense Lord Penguino. I think Nutshell is off base here. OBVIOUSLY, there was a lapse in her security; therefore it is truthful to say that she was not wary enough. Frankly, if I was her, I would have expected suicide bombers and mad gunpersons behind every corner as she has a polarizing personality in her country; much like Hillary has in the good ol' U.S. of A.

Quite often political leaders eschew "heavy" defense for many reasons.
1. There want to be seen as a person OF the people who can walk around like everyone else. The only problem with this is that is not conducive to longevity, given current political realities.
2. Heavy protection can be very intrusive as Security calls the shots, no pun intended, and the politician is like a protected jewel.
3. This IS Pakistan we are talking about and there is every possibility someone in her Security detail was in on the assassination. Indira Gandhi ring a bell here?

Aside from this she has already spoken out on the subject of Extremist or Radical Muslims and vowed to clamp down on them. That probably got her the death sentence right there as I rather expect the Radical Muslims would not have been very understanding of her aims. Security should have been tightened in EXPECTATION of reprisals for her comments.

I guess it is reasonable to assume that her killers think that nothing says "Allah Akbar" better than a suicide bomb belt and a couple of bullets. No wonder Musharef is trying to turn power over to someone else. :sad4:
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Penguino first said "she should have been wary." That is completely different than "she wasn't wary enough." One implies some degree of apprehension. The other implies none.

Also, Penguino stated that she brought this upon herself. I hope he gains some persepctive as he gets more experienced in the world. He makes it sounds like it was her own fault. He focus on the victim rather than the aggressor. If the RF Guido wacks him, lets throw a party and say he brought it upon himself.
 
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