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Bible Discrepancies
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Thanks linwood for the offer. However I did choose the right God so I want need that seat.
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true blood
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Greetings Fellowship,Fellowship said:
Been busy of late but will get back to you about that conclusion. Enjoy the forums, it's alot of fun.
linwood
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Trueblood said:
Your simple, cursory reading of a website does not denote study. Its dull how you focus on one verse which "appears" to have Judas kill himself yet ignore the multiple other verses which indicate Judas did not kill himself until after the ascension. If that isn't ignorance, I don't know what is. As for the figurative usage, its verified in the classical writings of Aristophanes, Vespae. You are the only incorrect Mr. Biblical scholar.
He said that a long long time ago.
In short stating that the word or term used for "Hanged" could be used figuratively depending on content.
I disagreed and stated that every concordance or piece of literature i could find used the word literally regardless of content.
I couldn`t argue against his assertion that Aristophanes used the word figuratively in Wasps 686 because I couldn`t find a copy of Aristophanes wasps at my library (stolen).
I just had another apologetist give me the same argument for the word/term being used figuratively in Wasps at IIDB.
I asked if anyone on the board knew of an online version of wasps so I could check the reference.
Peter Kirby kindly posted this.....
Is it not the worst of all slaveries to see all these wretches and their flatterers, whom they gorge with gold, at the head of affairs? As for you, you are content with the three obols which they give you and which [685] you have so painfully earned in the galleys, in battles and sieges. But what I stomach least is that you go to sit on the tribunal by order. Some young fairy, the son of Chaereas, to wit, enters your house wiggling his arse, foul with debauchery, on his straddling legs and charges you to come and judge at daybreak, and precisely to the minute. [690] "He who presents himself after the opening of the Court," says he, "will not get the triobolus." But he himself, though he arrives late, will nevertheless get his drachma as a public advocate. If an accused man makes him some present, he shares it with a colleague and the pair agree to arrange the matter like two sawyers, one of whom pulls and the other pushes. [695] As for you, you have only eyes for the public pay-clerk, and you see nothing.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Aristoph.+Wasps+650
There appears to be no use of the word or term "Apagchomai" within Aristophanes Vespae 686 in either figurative or literal use.
Trueblood, your cite is wrong.
Your simple, cursory reading of a website does not denote study. Its dull how you focus on one verse which "appears" to have Judas kill himself yet ignore the multiple other verses which indicate Judas did not kill himself until after the ascension. If that isn't ignorance, I don't know what is. As for the figurative usage, its verified in the classical writings of Aristophanes, Vespae. You are the only incorrect Mr. Biblical scholar.
He said that a long long time ago.
In short stating that the word or term used for "Hanged" could be used figuratively depending on content.
I disagreed and stated that every concordance or piece of literature i could find used the word literally regardless of content.
I couldn`t argue against his assertion that Aristophanes used the word figuratively in Wasps 686 because I couldn`t find a copy of Aristophanes wasps at my library (stolen).
I just had another apologetist give me the same argument for the word/term being used figuratively in Wasps at IIDB.
I asked if anyone on the board knew of an online version of wasps so I could check the reference.
Peter Kirby kindly posted this.....
Is it not the worst of all slaveries to see all these wretches and their flatterers, whom they gorge with gold, at the head of affairs? As for you, you are content with the three obols which they give you and which [685] you have so painfully earned in the galleys, in battles and sieges. But what I stomach least is that you go to sit on the tribunal by order. Some young fairy, the son of Chaereas, to wit, enters your house wiggling his arse, foul with debauchery, on his straddling legs and charges you to come and judge at daybreak, and precisely to the minute. [690] "He who presents himself after the opening of the Court," says he, "will not get the triobolus." But he himself, though he arrives late, will nevertheless get his drachma as a public advocate. If an accused man makes him some present, he shares it with a colleague and the pair agree to arrange the matter like two sawyers, one of whom pulls and the other pushes. [695] As for you, you have only eyes for the public pay-clerk, and you see nothing.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Aristoph.+Wasps+650
There appears to be no use of the word or term "Apagchomai" within Aristophanes Vespae 686 in either figurative or literal use.
Trueblood, your cite is wrong.
true blood
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First, there is no valid evidence Judas' died prior to the ascension. There are pronouns and words in the book. If observed it's apparent. The first indications of Judas' disappearance is after the ascension.
There is only 1 verse in question. Mat 27.5. The only Gospel that has the "...and he hanged himself". However, as the story unfolds and nouns and pronouns which refer to Judas alive and among the others. In the rules of language "hanged" must be a figurative usage. Even if you were a great writer and wrote in a literal usage it has nothing to do with the story found in the bible. The literal usage of hanged in Mat 27.5 is unacceptable to those who would prefer to read accordingly to the rules found in language.
Look into Henry George Liddell and Robert Scott and A Greek-English Lexicon rev. by Henry S. Jones p. 174
Grotious also spoke and made notes in the Expositor's Greek Testament. Many of the earliest Greek Testaments used a different word in Mat 27.5! Consider that for a moment. I'm not sure of the condition of the manuscripts and nor seen them, one must travel to Rome to view them, but they are numbered MSS 803, 875, 983, 1415, 1608, 2521, and 2539. MS 273. MS 827. All different manuscripts not using "Apagchomai" but a different word like apopnigo, pnigalion, apago. Definately many attempts during the earliest Greek writings of attempts to clarify.
Judas died over 40 days after Jesus' ascension by self impalement as fortold by a prophet in the Old Testament.
There is only 1 verse in question. Mat 27.5. The only Gospel that has the "...and he hanged himself". However, as the story unfolds and nouns and pronouns which refer to Judas alive and among the others. In the rules of language "hanged" must be a figurative usage. Even if you were a great writer and wrote in a literal usage it has nothing to do with the story found in the bible. The literal usage of hanged in Mat 27.5 is unacceptable to those who would prefer to read accordingly to the rules found in language.
Look into Henry George Liddell and Robert Scott and A Greek-English Lexicon rev. by Henry S. Jones p. 174
Grotious also spoke and made notes in the Expositor's Greek Testament. Many of the earliest Greek Testaments used a different word in Mat 27.5! Consider that for a moment. I'm not sure of the condition of the manuscripts and nor seen them, one must travel to Rome to view them, but they are numbered MSS 803, 875, 983, 1415, 1608, 2521, and 2539. MS 273. MS 827. All different manuscripts not using "Apagchomai" but a different word like apopnigo, pnigalion, apago. Definately many attempts during the earliest Greek writings of attempts to clarify.
Judas died over 40 days after Jesus' ascension by self impalement as fortold by a prophet in the Old Testament.
There were two fields of blood, one bought with Judas' money, as he held the purse among the apostles, and another purchased with the thirty pieces of silver that Judas returned. Judas hanged himself in his field, and, being cursed according to the scriptures, no one arranged for his burial. Consequently, he swelled with gases, bursting in the middle and spilling his entrails.