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Bible reading: Compulsory in schools

Archer

Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure my student loan won't just go away in 7 years.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend what I said, the BASE, CORE, GENERAL IDEA the FRAMEWORK, CONCEPT OF 7 YEARS!!!!!!!!!

You are absolutely correct people don't need religion or faith in anything. They don't need history or any other kind of general knowledge (they don't get it at home these days). Lets teach only the math's, science's and English. Stop fooling around with teaching children about heritage and morality, mutual respect it is all BS any way.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
You are absolutely correct people don't need religion or faith in anything. They dont need history or any other king of general knowledge (they don't get it at home these days). Lets teach only the math's, science's and English. Stop fooling around with teaching children about heritage.
Forget math, it's hard. And English is unnecessary, they learn it at home. Science is just stupid.

Hey, look, no more school! YAY!
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
Forget math, it's hard. And English is unnecessary, they learn it at home. Science is just stupid.

Hey, look, no more school! YAY!

Yeah just huge sex party's until we forget most everything and go back to the stone ages and rediscover God.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
You don't seem to be able to comprehend what I said, the BASE, CORE, GENERAL IDEA the FRAMEWORK, CONCEPT OF 7 YEARS!!!!!!!!!
I comprehend what you said. You have yet to respond to my reply: We would not need a world religions class to learn that, if it is in fact true. A business class would be more useful and appropriate.

And just because I really don't know, can you show me where in our financial institution anything is based upon 7 years?

You are absolutely correct people don't need religion or faith in anything. They don't need history or any other kind of general knowledge (they don't get it at home these days). Lets teach only the math's, science's and English. Stop fooling around with teaching children about heritage and morality, mutual respect it is all BS any way.
This is a gross misrepresentation of my position.

I believe that world religion would be a great class in highschool, along with art, music, anthropology/social studies, philosophy/logic, basic finances, etc. I simply don't think it should be mandatory.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
I comprehend what you said. You have yet to respond to my reply: We would not need a world religions class to learn that, if it is in fact true. A business class would be more useful and appropriate.

And just because I really don't know, can you show me where in our financial institution anything is based upon 7 years?


This is a gross misrepresentation of my position.

I believe that world religion would be a great class in highschool, along with art, music, anthropology/social studies, philosophy/logic, basic finances, etc. I simply don't think it should be mandatory.

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How long can bad credit remain on your credit reports?
http://www.bankruptcylawnetwork.com/2007/09/12/the-sabbatical-year-and-the-forgiveness-of-debts/
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Which you completely undermined by reiterating "and probably shouldn't be."
this is unimportant, Storm. You are misreading me, which is probably partially my own ineptitude. The "probably shouldn't be" was referring to "some mandatory class". Very generic. I don't know what classes are mandatory that probably shouldn't be, because I don't know which classes are mandatory as I did not go to a public highschool.
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
As a kid I went to Sunday school and found the parables understandable and probably formative on my adult moral values. After a couple of months of church I totally lost interest in religion.
The space race, science and technology, MAD policy seemed far more interesting and attractive. However I did always think those simplistic moral plays of Sunday School had some value.

So contrary to my current beliefs, and for their betterment by allowing them to see other sides to my argument, I booked my kids in the optional RE class at primary school, thinking the same moral plays would be told.
I was wrong they copped a fire and brimstone witchhunter, so I pulled them out as soon as I realised the situation.

I would be happy if they had a comparative religious class, rather than single religion version.

Cheers
 
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TheKnight

Guardian of Life
Until the churches exposed the pedophile priests/pastors/teachers that they have cover up, let the law deal with these criminals with arrests, prosecution and convictions, then I would trust a single one of them in the public schools.

You are so church-biased that it is sad. There are plenty of non-religious organizations that go to much greater lengths to hid their problem children. Those are the ones we don't hear about. Because they do a good job.

Should all things that are major forces in the world be made into mandatory classes?
Should anything be made mandatory? Personally, I believe that only that which the average person will use (like basic science, basic math and basic history) should be mandatory. Everything beyond that should be optional. There is no need for your average high school student to waste time learning next to nothing in our damnéd ridiculously shameful excuse for an education system for as long as we subject them to such torture. Beyond 6th grade, education should be optional. People that end up uneducated and unable to provide for themselves....well, they'll have to live with their bad mistakes.
 

Zadok

Zadok
I have, and will, see to the religious education of my children. Religious studies, like pot and keg-stands, belong in college.


As is Intelligent Design, Young Earth, bigotry....

I would like to make something clear about my desire to be educated or for my children’s education. When I seek to learn something I want a teacher passionate about the subject matter that believes in it and is the best example of the discipline I can find. I do not want someone who has failed the subject matter or has doubts or misgivings in the subject. I want to be taught by master experts. If I want to know about Catholics then I seek out the “best” Catholics on the planet; same with Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Baptist, Lutherans, Jehovah Witness or whatever. The same applies to physics, chemistry, mathematics, language or literature. When I seek to learn a subject I desire to be taught by the best in the craft.

I do not fear knowledge in any subject – I welcome it. And to be honest I do not understand those who fear to learn and demand censor especially of what they themselves do not understand or have failed to grasp in their past. If something is lawful then let it be taught. If knowledge of something ought not be taught - then it should not be tolerated in society.


Zadok
 

ihsan_pno

Ihsan - Slave of Allah
First of All, Bible is not the word of god and there are so many mistakes and unscientific portions. How come a Holy Book which is attributed to the God can have numerous errors and unscientific portions?? There are proofs available in the Bible itself that Jesus (PBUH) is not crucified and if there is no crucifiction means there is no cristianity.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
First of All, Bible is not the word of god and there are so many mistakes and unscientific portions. How come a Holy Book which is attributed to the God can have numerous errors and unscientific portions??
As opposed to the Qur'an?
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
I would like to make something clear about my desire to be educated or for my children’s education. When I seek to learn something I want a teacher passionate about the subject matter that believes in it and is the best example of the discipline I can find. I do not want someone who has failed the subject matter or has doubts or misgivings in the subject. I want to be taught by master experts. If I want to know about Catholics then I seek out the “best” Catholics on the planet; same with Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Baptist, Lutherans, Jehovah Witness or whatever. The same applies to physics, chemistry, mathematics, language or literature. When I seek to learn a subject I desire to be taught by the best in the craft.

Good luck finding that in highschool. Of course people want to be taught by well-qualified individuals, but it does seem a bit unrealistic-- and slightly egoistic-- to require the "best". Really, is an expert in mathematics required to teach a child arithmetic?

I do not fear knowledge in any subject – I welcome it. And to be honest I do not understand those who fear to learn and demand censor especially of what they themselves do not understand or have failed to grasp in their past. If something is lawful then let it be taught. If knowledge of something ought not be taught - then it should not be tolerated in society.
I don't think the argument is that knowledge about religion, under no circumstances, should ever be taught. The debate is over whether it should be mandatory.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Why does Bible reading have to be mandatory in schools?

Surely, if a person is interested in reading and learning about the bible and Christianity can do so on their own time, and can go to local church on any given day (not just Sunday).

Reading the Bible, or any given scriptures, in classes, are complete waste of time. How many hours can the school allocate for reading the bible? One hour each week? Two at the very best?

And why just the bible? Why not other scriptures as well? The Tanakh and the Talmud? The Qur'an, Book of Mormon, Gnostic texts, Rig Veda and other Hindu literature.

The problem with this bible reading, is that we know that Tony Abbott want new converts to Christianity, and most specifically to Catholicism. I don't buy his argument that.

How is going to enforce children, who may already have non-Christian religions? Will he want the school to fail children whose parents object to bible reading in school? Will he hold schools hostage by withholding funding to non-religious schools don't make it a compulsory subject?

I don't trust Abbott any more than I trust priest teaching children at schools.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
I don't trust Abbott any more than I trust priest teaching children at schools.

IDK where you are from Gnostic but here in the US we have many more problems at public schools than Christian schools concerning misconduct toward children.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
I know they are!!! Your debt is not forgiven as in Biblical times but credit clears out (it has changed a little) and the 7 year period is based on scripture.
 

McBell

Unbound
I know they are!!! Your debt is not forgiven as in Biblical times but credit clears out (it has changed a little) and the 7 year period is based on scripture.
I see.
You believe the reason the number seven is used is due to Biblical.

However you have not presented anything, other than your opinion, that they are BASED on the number seven or BASED upon the Bible.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
I see.
You believe the reason the number seven is used is due to Biblical.

However you have not presented anything, other than your opinion, that they are BASED on the number seven or BASED upon the Bible.
I tried finding info about what the 7 year period is based on (why not 6 or 5; is it arbitrary, based upon the Bible, or some real financial reason?), but came up with nothing. Even if it is based upon the Bible, so what? It doesn't really help us understand the concept that certain bad credit will go away from our after 7 years. If anything, it is an interesting piece of trivia. You certainly wouldn't need a mandatory world religions class to cover it.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
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Luke 6:34-38 ESV / 18 helpful votes

And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”

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Leviticus 25:35-37 ESV / 16 helpful votes

“If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

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“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it.

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Luke 6:34-35 ESV / 13 helpful votes

And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

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Psalm 15:5 ESV / 10 helpful votes

Who does not put out his money at interest and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved.

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Exodus 22:25 ESV / 10 helpful votes

“If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him.

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Psalm 112:5 ESV / 9 helpful votes

It is well with the man who deals generously and lends; who conducts his affairs with justice.

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Matthew 5:42 ESV / 8 helpful votes

Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

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Proverbs 19:17 ESV / 8 helpful votes

Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

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Nehemiah 5:1-19 ESV / 8 helpful votes

Now there arose a great outcry of the people and of their wives against their Jewish brothers. For there were those who said, “With our sons and our daughters, we are many. So let us get grain, that we may eat and keep alive.” There were also those who said, “We are mortgaging our fields, our vineyards, and our houses to get grain because of the famine.” And there were those who said, “We have borrowed money for the king's tax on our fields and our vineyards. Now our flesh is as the flesh of our brothers, our children are as their children. Yet we are forcing our sons and our daughters to be slaves, and some of our daughters have already been enslaved, but it is not in our power to help it, for other men have our fields and our vineyards.” ...

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Deuteronomy 23:19 ESV / 8 helpful votes

“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.

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Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

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“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.

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“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal,

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Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.

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Return to them this very day their fields, their vineyards, their olive orchards, and their houses, and the percentage of money, grain, wine, and oil that you have been exacting from them.”

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In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

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And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.

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Moreover, from the time that I was appointed to be their governor in the land of Judah, from the twentieth year to the thirty-second year of Artaxerxes the king, twelve years, neither I nor my brothers ate the food allowance of the governor.
 
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