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Danel is a character in the Ugaritic texts.

Danel | West Semitic mythological figure | Britannica
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Danel
Other articles where Danel is discussed: Aqhat Epic: The epic records that Danel, a sage and king of the Haranamites, had no son until the god El, in response to Danel’s many prayers and offerings, finally granted him a child, whom Danel named Aqhat. Some time later Danel offered hospitality to the divine craftsman Kothar, who in…

Sooda Thanks for the reference I shall look more into that on the wkd. It’s late here now so must sleep.

 

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Scofield has poisoned a lot of evangelicals and fundamentalists to include SDA and Baptists.

Daniel was written in 167 BC during the persecutions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and his defilement of the Temple with the Abomination of Desolation.. That's why Jesus referred to it as past tense.

No, Daniel was written in 6th century. Jesus Christ is clear that Daniel is a prophet. (Matt. 24:15). Where did Jesus refer to it as past tense? And what is that supposed to prove?

The only one doing the 'poisoning' here is you.

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No, Daniel was written in 6th century. Jesus Christ is clear that Daniel is a prophet. (Matt. 24:15). Where did Jesus refer to it as past tense? And what is that supposed to prove?

The only one doing the 'poisoning' here is you.

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The Abomination of Desolation

"shall see" is pretty clear.........

Matthew 24:15
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Why do you think the Jews celebrate Hanukkah? Jesus knew. Do you?

 

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The Abomination of Desolation

"shall see" is pretty clear.........

Matthew 24:15
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Why do you think the Jews celebrate Hanukkah? Jesus knew. Do you?

Yeah, it's pretty clear. It's clear that it is future tense. And it's clear that Daniel is a prophet.

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Yeah, it's pretty clear. It's clear that it is future tense. And it's clear that Daniel is a prophet.

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The reason that Daniel spoke of it was because it had already happened during the time of Antiochus IV and the Maccabean Revolt. Antiochus had defiled the Temple and it had to be rededicated,

Now do you get it?

Jesus is saying it will happen again. When you see it flee to the mountains.. and they did.. which is a pretty good indication that the tribulation was local.

 

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The reason that Daniel spoke of it was because it had already happened during the time of Antiochus IV and the Maccabean Revolt. Antiochus had defiled the Temple and it had to be rededicated,

Now do you get it?

Jesus is saying it will happen again. When you see it flee to the mountains.. and they did.. which is a pretty good indication that the tribulation was local.

No. You said it is past tense. You lied. It is future tense. You said Daniel was not a prophet. You lied. Jesus said he is a prophet.

You say Jesus said it will happen again. No. You lie. Jesus is saying that what Daniel prophesied is yet future.

Again, you're the only one poisoning here.

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No. You said it is past tense. You lied. It is future tense. You said Daniel was not a prophet. You lied. Jesus said he is a prophet.

You say Jesus said it will happen again. No. You lie. Jesus is saying that what Daniel prophesied is yet future.

Again, you're the only one poisoning here.

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Jesus knew about Antiochus defiling the Temple and he knew the reason for Hannukah. You don't.

 

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Jesus knew about Antiochus defiling the Temple and he knew the reason for Hannukah. You don't.

Yes Jesus knew. And Jesus knew what Daniel the prophet wrote was yet future.

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Yes Jesus knew. And Jesus knew what Daniel the prophet wrote was yet future.

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Why do you think the Jewish people celebrate Hannukah?


The abomination in history
Undoubtedly, theologians have surmised the greatest contender in history for this abomination, referred in Daniel, to be Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

In fact, some theologians have gone as far to say Daniel 7-12 were written separately from the first six chapters, saying a different author wrote the latter half to comfort the Jewish people during the time of Antiochus Epiphanes IV. The author of this article strongly believes Daniel 1-12 were written during the lifetime of Daniel, foreshadowing the events to come in four hundred years, and in the end times.

Abomination of Desolation - Biblical Meaning & Understanding

 

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Why do you think the Jewish people celebrate Hannukah?


The abomination in history
Undoubtedly, theologians have surmised the greatest contender in history for this abomination, referred in Daniel, to be Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

In fact, some theologians have gone as far to say Daniel 7-12 were written separately from the first six chapters, saying a different author wrote the latter half to comfort the Jewish people during the time of Antiochus Epiphanes IV. The author of this article strongly believes Daniel 1-12 were written during the lifetime of Daniel, foreshadowing the events to come in four hundred years, and in the end times.

Abomination of Desolation - Biblical Meaning & Understanding

Oh yes, some theologians say a lot of things. Some say Christ was just a man. You can always find 'some theologians'.

The point is you lied about Jesus speaking in the past tense. You lied about Daniel being a prophet. You are the one poisoning the truth.

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Oh yes, some theologians say a lot of things. Some say Christ was just a man. You can always find 'some theologians'.

The point is you lied about Jesus speaking in the past tense. You lied about Daniel being a prophet. You are the one poisoning the truth.

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Do you know why Jewish people celebrate Hannukah?

 

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Do you know why Jewish people celebrate Hannukah?

It doesn't matter. What matters is you constantly misrepresent the Bible, and Jesus Christ as I have just showed you.

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It doesn't matter. What matters is you constantly misrepresent the Bible, and Jesus Christ as I have just showed you.

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LOLOL..

https://www.history.com/topics/holidays/hanukkah

 

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Danel is a character in the Ugaritic texts.

Danel | West Semitic mythological figure | Britannica
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Danel
Other articles where Danel is discussed: Aqhat Epic: The epic records that Danel, a sage and king of the Haranamites, had no son until the god El, in response to Danel’s many prayers and offerings, finally granted him a child, whom Danel named Aqhat. Some time later Danel offered hospitality to the divine craftsman Kothar, who in…

Sooda you do realise the Danel that is mentioned in the Urgaritic text is dated around 1400BC. And all we know of him is from a partly damaged text. So what does the text tell of him. He longed for a son because his brothers had and he did not. He sacrifices food and drink to the Gods for several days. Baal does take notice and partitions El. Daniel’s prayers are answered and does conceive a son with his wife Danata who they name Aghat. Who than is given a bow with that he is to always to bring the best of sacrifices to please the gods. Anat a goddess I think wants his bow for some reason and eventually has him killed to obtain it. After Danal finds his son and buries him he declares 7 yrs of mourning along with a few more prayers to Baal for better times. The ending we do not know for that is missing. There are a few more gods, daughters and crows and sought after revenges mentioned here and there but nothing much more. Sooda I simply can’t comprehend how or why anyone would want to link the Uragitic Daniel to the 3 quotes given by Ezekiel of the Daniel he mentions in his book. Which I’m sure is referring to the biblical Daniel. Unless of course your happy to have the Baal worshiping Daniel of the Ugaritic text replace the biblical Daniel amongst the righteous of Noah and Job in Ezekiel 14:14.

 

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Sooda you do realise the Danel that is mentioned in the Urgaritic text is dated around 1400BC. And all we know of him is from a partly damaged text. So what does the text tell of him. He longed for a son because his brothers had and he did not. He sacrifices food and drink to the Gods for several days. Baal does take notice and partitions El. Daniel’s prayers are answered and does conceive a son with his wife Danata who they name Aghat. Who than is given a bow with that he is to always to bring the best of sacrifices to please the gods. Anat a goddess I think wants his bow for some reason and eventually has him killed to obtain it. After Danal finds his son and buries him he declares 7 yrs of mourning along with a few more prayers to Baal for better times.

The ending we do not know for that is missing. There are a few more gods, daughters and crows and sought after revenges mentioned here and there but nothing much more. Sooda I simply can’t comprehend how or why anyone would want to link the Uragitic Daniel to the 3 quotes given by Ezekiel of the Daniel he mentions in his book. Which I’m sure is referring to the biblical Daniel. Unless of course your happy to have the Baal worshiping Daniel of the Ugaritic text replace the biblical Daniel amongst the righteous of Noah and Job in Ezekiel 14:14.

The consensus among scholars is that there wasn't a "Daniel".. that a the name was borrowed from the older Syrian poem about Danel for a narrative of hope and encouragement to the Jews during the time of the persecutions of Antiochus.

Maybe this will help.

The Identification of the Ugaritic Dnil with the Daniel of ...
The Identification of the Ugaritic Dnil with the Daniel of Ezekiel on JSTOR
THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE UGARITIC DNIL WITH THE DANIEL OF EZEKIEL*) by HAROLD H. P. DRESSLER Vancouver, B.C. In the book of Ezekiel reference is made to a Daniel (Ez. xiv 14, 20, xxviii 3) whom recent scholars generally consider to be not the hero of the book of Daniel but the person mentioned in the Ugaritic Aqht Text.

 

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The consensus among scholars is that there wasn't a "Daniel".. that a the name was borrowed from the older Syrian poem about Danel for a narrative of hope and encouragement to the Jews during the time of the persecutions of Antiochus.

Maybe this will help.

The Identification of the Ugaritic Dnil with the Daniel of ...
The Identification of the Ugaritic Dnil with the Daniel of Ezekiel on JSTOR
THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE UGARITIC DNIL WITH THE DANIEL OF EZEKIEL*) by HAROLD H. P. DRESSLER Vancouver, B.C. In the book of Ezekiel reference is made to a Daniel (Ez. xiv 14, 20, xxviii 3) whom recent scholars generally consider to be not the hero of the book of Daniel but the person mentioned in the Ugaritic Aqht Text.

Sooda I should hardly think that the Jews under the persecution of Antiochus would take much comfort from a Baal worshiping Danel as mentioned in the Ugaritic writings of which we know very little about. But If that is what heroes and legends are made of in order to boost morale. It does leave much to be queried. I mean he whinges and whines to the gods about not having a son even though he had daughters and most of us are generally happy and thankful for what we receive. Than at the death of his son he goes on a a journey to search for him. Spying on two crows he calls apon Baal once again to have them killed thinking they may have eaten his son and than restores them again when discovers they have not. Than after finally finding his dead son, there is than is a 7 yr period of mourning before Danal finally dismisses the mourners from the court. I think most of us find different ways to reverence our deceased loved ones after a period of time more so in private and certainly not publicly for 7 yrs. Than after this we do read that he continues with sacrifices to the gods. And Danals daughter does seem to continue on with the search for her brothers killer. And that is where the story abruptly ends. Sooda I could think apon many biblical characters that would fall into the hero category especially of the Jews when they needed extra morale in times of war. You know like David slaying Goliath or the mighty Samson of judges chapter 16 with all that muscle and strength bringing down the temple pillars apon the Philistines. Yes just Imagine being confronted by Samson now that would really leave one feeling rather weak at the knees. : ) As to the Danal of the Ugaritic story He doesn’t even come close to hero status . Actually he doesn’t even fall into the hero category at all. But our Daniel from the book of Daniel certainly does with his great wisdom, bravery and faithfulness to God which is mentioned often. Thats why the wisdom of Daniel is mentioned by Ezekiel against the king of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28:1-3. And of course Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego are always remembered for their bravery and faithfulness to God amidst Nebuchadnezar’s fiery furnace from the book of Daniel itself. We not need speculate on this at all for the evidence is overwhelming that Daniel is a 6th century BC writer and that his book is 6th century as well. Sooda scholars do say many things sometimes they are right and sometimes they are not. But one thing is for certain is that the Baal worshiping Danal mentioned in the Ugaritic story was no hero to the Jews. And probably not even known to the Jews from the 167BC conflict of that time.